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Thread: Just tested MCH on TC Valcyn and its not looking good
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Joker9125
Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:15 pm
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Before the CU i had a very nice kraytedT21 that hit for 876 with a P'up and I was expecting it to better than your average crafted one. Wrong! Now your average speed sliced T21 has a higher DPS
Thats not the worst of it. I called my pets and respeced them and noticed their damage had actually gone up! Sweet! Now I head to theed and discover that my triplet combo was only hitting for 54 pts of damage per attack against an unarmored opponent when they eachhada damage of around 220-230 and yes I was grouped with them so they would take my level (which is 80 BTW).
Ok so now I try my lvl 62 Kimo which had a damage of like 290-550 and it only hit for 100 pts of damage
Ok so 3 smaller pets gave me an increase in DPS of81 pts (54 X 3 / 2) and I large pet game me an increase of 50 (100 / 2)pts............
Now people might think that adding 81 pts on to your base DPS is alot but you have to remember that pets get no multipliers from specials and to gain MCH we have to spend 106 SP which means we will have alot less in the way of speed mods (which are important now because its impossible to cap) and what more is that pets will no longer use special attacks (unknown if this is a bug or intended). Well all I got to say is that CH was the last profession I expected to take a nerf in the CU.
And before anyone starts saying I'm just not used to the new system yet I would like to state that I have spent hours on TC every day sincethe CU came out and was also the first Novice and Master CH on the server.
I understand that this is testing and things can change, but if things dont I will be joining my guild leader in the Matrix soon.
Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-20-2005 04:58 PM
hobieone
Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:58 pm
#2
hater to agree with you on this one getting same results plus pets semm to be totally unable to tank and hold mobs any longer (this could be bug also ) and the the fact as in the last patch about pets wont factor in grouped makes me wonder if that not throwing it off but it does hurt ch's ability to supoort group members.
also wonder if possiblity the devs haven't balanced or did anything in regaurds to them yet and thats why they seem well so generic. this is definatly something to kepp an eye on and hopefully doesn't somehow kill our beloved profession especially for those like me thats been a mch since the game launched and stayed with it thriough the great nerf and such
also wonder if possiblity the devs haven't balanced or did anything in regaurds to them yet and thats why they seem well so generic. this is definatly something to kepp an eye on and hopefully doesn't somehow kill our beloved profession especially for those like me thats been a mch since the game launched and stayed with it thriough the great nerf and such
Ekaw
Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:35 pm
#3
from the rifle forums joker, i think they are still tweaking that. TH said somehting about the nicest weapons still being the nicest weapons, i could find the post, but I am lazy.
Joker9125
Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:58 pm
#4
still dosent change the crappy damage my pets are doing or their complete lack of useable specials
jopenack
Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:54 pm
#5
TH also said they were taking the time to do it right lol, they lie.
anyways
Joker
you of all people should be taken at your word you have done more work there than anyone I know of, and I mean anyone.
Its too bad, this whole fiasco has me.. well ya all know how I feel lol.
For some odd reason I think they're getting alot of flack from unexpected areas (hence the polls, why bother but they do)and I have a little hope this will be scrubbed. If its not and they remain stubborn then swg will become a game among many instead of a uniqueiniverse to live in. Crafters, Entertainers an combat pro'sI don't see one group who is happy about this. truely a sad state of affairs. Who would think things would get worse after the big chnerf of 04.
theorb22
Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:26 pm
#6
And even then, I always thought if we did get nerfed again, we'd be seeing half the HAM on pets and no resistances, I never thought they'd bother nerfing what little DPS we have now....
jedi4tw
Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:28 pm
#7
Joker9125 wrote:still dosent change the crappy damage my pets are doing or their complete lack of useable specials
you should know better, LOL Creature Handlers WILL NOT get a pet damage increase as long as it stacks with any weapon at hand. I thought you guys would have figured that out by now! lol im surprised.
Vertexon
Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:33 pm
#8
Theproblems listed in this thread (converted BE stats, pet specials, aggro management) have been brought to the Devs' attention, so they have been made aware of the issues and challenges imposed by this at the moment.
Joker9125
Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:23 pm
#9
jedi4tw wrote:
Joker9125 wrote:
still dosent change the crappy damage my pets are doing or their complete lack of useable specials
you should know better, LOL Creature Handlers WILL NOT get a pet damage increase as long as it stacks with any weapon at hand. I thought you guys would have figured that out by now! lol im surprised.
I'm pretty sure the whole damage thing is a bug. Pets get the level multipliers applied in PvP but NOT in PvE. 3 CHs with 200 damage triplets eachcould quite possibly take down a krayt where as a full group of 8 non CHdoulbe master combat profession could not. However Ihave figured one thing out. You sir are quite ignorant of the CH profession and are atroll. How does a CHs pet stacking "with any weapon at hand" differ from a combat medics poisons? Sure you might have a big visible critter to shoot at with a CHwhere you only have the icon on your buff display with a CM but the fact remains that CMs have a damage output that is much greater than ours and they are basicallystacking the DPS of two professions just like us only using a different method.
With a name like yours I assume you either are a Jedi or are going for Jedi. If either is true I really hope you play on valcyn because I am going BH and would love to "test" my new template out on you.
Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-20-2005 08:24 PM
earhtboundrules
Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:34 pm
#10
i think the damage for pvp is about right, i mean its pathetic but i mean if it was any more then a playerenemy would die in like 2 hits... maybe a slight increase would make it more fair, but with the skill points the way they are, im gonna be doing just ch and ranger, so i think the damage for mch should be better in all instances... and i hate how you cant see your pets health now.. idk we'll adapt either way 
Keatsnam
Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:17 pm
#11
I just got finished checking my MCH on Bloodfin and I am afraid I have to agree. I didn't examine the stats closely, just wanted to get the "feel" of combat, since the TC situation wasn't good (I searched forever to find decent babies and when I finally did it aggroed and I accidentally killed it). On the TC version of Bloodfin, it seemed like CH was even worse than it is now --- my creatures on "guard" sat and watched me get incapped, or would hit a couple of times and then stand by (and also would take no damage). For that matter, I am not sure how a creature that is the same level as me is able to incap me in 2 hits while I am grouped with a level 30 and 32 pet, but that's a different story. I am hoping these are just bugs. If things are like this when the CURB goes live it's safe to say I'll be respecing away the CH skills I was so proud of earning.
jedi4tw
Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:41 am
#12
Joker9125 wrote:
jedi4tw wrote:
Joker9125 wrote:still dosent change the crappy damage my pets are doing or their complete lack of useable specials
you should know better, LOL Creature Handlers WILL NOT get a pet damage increase as long as it stacks with any weapon at hand. I thought you guys would have figured that out by now! lol im surprised.I'm pretty sure the whole damage thing is a bug. Pets get the level multipliers applied in PvP but NOT in PvE. 3 CHs with 200 damage triplets each could quite possibly take down a krayt where as a full group of 8 non CH doulbe master combat profession could not. However I have figured one thing out. You sir are quite ignorant of the CH profession and are a troll. How does a CHs pet stacking "with any weapon at hand" differ from a combat medics poisons? Sure you might have a big visible critter to shoot at with a CH where you only have the icon on your buff display with a CM but the fact remains that CMs have a damage output that is much greater than ours and they are basically stacking the DPS of two professions just like us only using a different method.With a name like yours I assume you either are a Jedi or are going for Jedi. If either is true I really hope you play on valcyn because I am going BH and would love to "test" my new template out on you.Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-20-2005 08:24 PM
you maybe right about me however, the fact is your pets will NOT be the uber pwn all l33t damage dealers as long as you can stack with another profession, otherwise i will take up MCH + Jedi my self just to pwn and be l33t damage dealer and will start posting how MCH'ers are doing to much damage cause looking at damage logs youll see your weapon at hand + pets damage = TOO MUCH
Oh and yes i agree its too bad im not on your same server, otherwise i WOULD love for you to TRY and take me. GIMP MCH! LMAO!
Llandros
Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:28 am
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Joker9125 wrote:
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jedi4tw wrote:
didnt bother putting what they both wrtote 9why bother you can easiyl see for yourself and qyoting antire posts is jsut needless spam
please dont feed the troll's, we cant tame tmhe so their a critter type of no use to us
we cna all do the dps calcs for tempaltes (all you nedd is a brain and/or a calcultor) and we cna all se how the numbers are looking right now so lets focus on the issue not the big stony thing causing troulbe
Joker9125 wrote:
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jedi4tw wrote:
didnt bother putting what they both wrtote 9why bother you can easiyl see for yourself and qyoting antire posts is jsut needless spam
please dont feed the troll's, we cant tame tmhe so their a critter type of no use to us
we cna all do the dps calcs for tempaltes (all you nedd is a brain and/or a calcultor) and we cna all se how the numbers are looking right now so lets focus on the issue not the big stony thing causing troulbe
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