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Thread: Squad Leader and Creature Handler?

MoonlghtKnt
Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:09 am
#1
Although you won't get as much as having PCs with you, yes, you earn SL XP for only grouping with your pets. Heck... just HAVING them in your group is enough to earn the XP. I usually pull out my one allowable pet then go kill stuff all by my onesy... I still get the points.



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excalibur745
Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:00 am
#2
Haha if i need to get quick experience in not high amounts i'll group my R2 Unit and go kill stuff, i get exp for that so i'd assume your pets would give you exp as well.



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UncleSral
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:30 pm
#3
Just curious on this. If i'm only grouped with my pets, will I get squad leader xp from my pet's kills?
RazaelDemron
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:52 pm
#4
Used to and I haven't seen any patch notes say otherwise.


Or maybe I'm thinking about my kills while I was grouped with a pet.



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MichaelWolf
Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:43 am
#5
I'm a master ch and a novice squad leader at the moment. I am able to get about 3000sl xp per kill doing the following. I have out 3 pets, 1 droid, and 1 faction pet. Even if the faction pets and droids don't actually fight, they will still contribute to the size of the group and thus the xp you recieve. There are 20k Jaunta missions on Dantooine that these numbers are based on. I'd love to buy more imp fp so I can have out a couple more faction pets to bring the number of group members to 7 (not counting myself).
BlkTom
Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:58 pm
#6

The current situation, and one of the biggest grips on the board is that all professions can only have 1 faction pet in play, up to 3 in storage. Alot of people are pushing that SL should get up to 5 faction pets, but I think the thing the DEVs are deathly afraid of is that IMP guy running around with 5 AT STs.


It isn't our faults as players that the DEVs did a poor job of thinking out Faction Followers, but we suffer for it. Before they limited the Faction Followers to 1, I saw a Wookie with 3 AT ST's. Now what is he suppost to do? He can't trade them back in or anything. He was just screwed. I wouldn't be suprised if he just quit the game after that.


As it is, CH is still one of the most powerful professions in the game. You can do anything with the right critter tanking for you, and most Holo grinders I know used CH asa 'means to an ends'to march though a ton of professions to unlock that Jedi slot.


You will get a ton of XP, but SL does not mesh well with CH as it does little to help your Critters. You can not Form Up their Dizzy and Stun, Volley Shot and Steady Aim are worthless because they don't have guns. Moral Boost as far as I know also doesn't work with critters (and if it did you might kill yourself). The only real use you get is the terrain navigation to make your critters faster so you do not lose them while your on a bike (if the critter itself is fast, like a naglatch). And Rally, but most are not sure if Rally works right.


Again, perfect for Holo grinders, not perfect for someone who wants this as their goal. Your better off going Medic/BH/Commando than SL.





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Master Squad Leader
Master Marksman
Master Rifleman

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Rorenikibi
Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:57 am
#7
Well, I've heard its a bug, but as a CH/Squaddie, I can have my allotment of critter pets, a droid and a Faction troop. Not sure the source of this, but it makes being overt a little less annoying.




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MichaelWolf
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:22 am
#8
I couldn't disagree more with BlkTom. Having Master CH makes it easier to master any combat profession (excluding BH and Commando because you don't have enough skill points). You gain a LOT more SL xp if you have a big group of players than if you're grouping with your own pets. Having said that, forming those groups and fighting with them takes a lot of time too. If you only have an hour or so to play, that's just not practicle. With MCH however, you always have a group of 4. Add a droid and a faction pet and you're a group of 6 all by yourself. It's the only way I know of to solo SL.
BlkTom
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:47 pm
#9

First of all, please type like a normal person,that wasirritating, kinda like typing in caps.


Second of all, what are you actually disagreeing with? Re-read my post, then do it a second time, because you missed everything I mentioned. All you did was agree with me after you said you didn't.


Third of all, one of the things you mentioned was how you gained so much xp with 7 NPC followers. SL xp is based off of damage, including your own. Yes, if only you are attacking, but leading a group, you will get SL xp. SL xp is roughly based off of 25% of the damage done to the targets. NPC's normally do crap damage, PCs do a ton, hence when your with a group of players, possible even smaller size than the group you have, you may get more xp. I am sure there is some mod as to a bonus to xp based on the size of a group, but from what I understand this is a hard number to figure out. The other big thing is how they have messed with xp given to SL. At one point, leading 5 PCs and 1 NPC I was getting 10k for killing Grauls, right around last November/December. Now I doubt that I could get 1-2k on the Grauls with a group the same size. Before that, it was much lower.


Fourth of all, my big point is to your first post which is is SL and CH a mesh. You will notice that I said 'Yes you get a ton of xp' and 'No because SL does not help the creatures in your group'. I dabbled in CH because it is soooo easy to get and I had points at the time while doing SL, so trust me, I have some experiance and idea of what I am saying. Explain to me (us) why you disagree with this and why it is a good mesh.


Fifth of all, I am one of the biggest supporters out there of allowing SL's to have more than one Faction follower for the same reasons you listed (barring time issues, which I never mentioned). SL is a joke when alone, and a waste of points unless you have access to followers when you are alone.






Vec Prybrom (ICE)
Master Squad Leader
Master Marksman
Master Rifleman

Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.- Clint Eastwood
MichaelWolf
Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:46 am
#10
First of all, I had no idea people were so easily offended by large typing. In my defense it didn't end up looking like I wanted it to either. But, I am sorry you got your feelings hurt.


Second of all, I did agree with some of what you said. I disagreed with the statement that Squad Leader and Creature Handler do not make a good match. I realize I could have been a lot more clear on that point. Again, sorry to have hurt your feelings. I will try to be as clear as I can with my explanation to follow.


Third of all, This is why I think Squad Leader (SL)and Creature Handler (CH) make the best match.SL doesn't give you any real combat skills which means you have to get another combat profession or be grouped with combat players. You could add any combat profession you wanted that your skill points would allow, but that would only solve the combat problem. You would still have to group with other players to get any SL xp. If, however, you add CH it solves both problems. You can control large enough pets to tank for you, and you can control more pets at a time to inrcease your group size. You have a valid point that SL abilities don't affect pets that well, if at all. If a player is soloing SL and has CH, you can haveseveral pets that don't get bonuses from your SL abilities. If your soloing without CH you can have 1 little pet that doesn'tget bonuses from your SL abilities. Soyour point is irrelevent. I am not saying that grouping with pest is better than grouping with players. I'm saying if you need to solo SL, the more pets the better. No other profession provides the combat punch of CH and the potential group size bonus to SL xp in one package. That, in my humble opinion, makes CH the best choice to augment SL.
BlkTom
Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:18 am
#11

Don't worry, my feelings are not hurt.


Here is the counter to your whole idea of CH/SL. Why are you a SL then?


All you have pointed out is that you get a massive amout of SL xp that does you no good, because SL does little to nothing to help you with CH. You pointed out that CH also has no personal combat skills so your own SL bonuses are not even helping yourself. Again, what is the point then to Master SL for a CH besides to just say you can do it? It is almost as pointless to me as becomming a Master SL and doing solo missions (without followers/critters).


I can counter point to you that my using a AT ST or other faction follower not only gives me SL xp but that my SL abilities actually helps them out. They fire guns you see, and Volley, Steady Aim, Form Up and Rally all effect them. So your counter point is moot.


I am sorry, but your not convincing me.




Vec Prybrom (ICE)
Master Squad Leader
Master Marksman
Master Rifleman

Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.- Clint Eastwood
MichaelWolf
Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:54 am
#12
I guess I'm confused. I agree that a faction pet would benifit more from your SL abilities than a razor cat for example. My point is are you better off with just you and your faction pet? Or, are you better off with you, your faction pet and 3 razor cats? Without CH you could have a "razor cat" and a faction pet out, but you pet could only be lvl 10, and the faction pet won't attack non-rebel targets. So it would be you, a faction pet that's not fighting, and a puny pet. Or, with ch (at master lvl) it could be you, a faction pet that's not fighting, and 3 lvl 23 pets. Lvl 23 pets make pretty good tanks. Where is the downside here? A SL without ch still needs to add some combat profession. That makes him better at combat but doesn't help him get more SL xp. An SL with ch doesn't need to add another combat profession because he now has tanks. Those same tanks help him get SL xp faster. What is the downside here?
MichaelWolf
Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:07 am
#13
One more thing. The massive ammount of xp that you said does me no good. Well it did do me good. I mastered Squad Leader. For me that was the whole point. If you are grinding you obviously want to master professions quickly. I personally wasn't grinding, but still wanted to get to master as quick as I could because master SL is more fun than novice SL.If someone was into role playing and had already mastered SL, CH isn't the best match. There are several other professions that would help others in the group more or would be better for combat. The advise I was trying to provide, was meant to help people who wanted to master SL as quickly as they could. From that point of view my advise was right on the money.
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