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Thread: What would you rather see, one publish with new content or two publishes full of bug fixes?

Qui-Gonzalez
Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:35 am
#1


I know what my choice is...the bug fixes. I wouldn't care if we had to wait two months for them as far as publishes go. There is so much content already ingame. A good portion of this we cannot even access because of some bug or other, yet we have more content crammed down our throats. Players have been clamoring for bug fixes since the CU and RotW hit live, yet we still have issues that we have had for longer than the month that SOE President John Smedley asked us for.


Yes, I can see the CU and RotW being forced by LucasArts as far as deadlines go, but this constant gift of new bugs with each publish is growing old fast. This thing of persistent bugs since RotW went live is growing old fast. Why in the hell is SWG the red headed stepchild when it comes to SOE and MMORPGs?



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wildcat84
Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:49 am
#2

Bug and balance fixes. There shouldn't be a SINGLE new piece of code not related to CU bug and balance fixes added to the game until Dallas Dickinson and John Smedley tell the community "the CU is finished".



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WilfBrim
Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:24 am
#3

How about a bug free (or minimal) publish? As a programmer i know this is possible.
ConfusedZabrak
Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:37 am
#4






WilfBrim wrote:
How about a bug free (or minimal) publish? As a programmer i know this is possible.






What language is/are the games wrote in? Is there not a compiler(?) that "checks" the code for "bugs"?



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RKAB
Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:41 am
#5

Overwhelmingly - two publishes of bug fixes.


They should follow what law enforcement agencies have done: Have a two week spree every quarter of having every man on deck step forward and capture the most wanted.





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CeboWookie
Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:31 am
#6

so many things are broken right now, we need to have them fixed, it should be first priority imho




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Mekmoor
Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:26 am
#7

Definitely a bug fix, there are still bugs in the game from back when I was a newbie. Nov 2003.
An idea would to fix the top ten or five bugs per profession. That would pleas a lot of people.
Arydan
Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:25 am
#8

def bug fixes Ide be happy if they didnt add ne content for 3-6 months if they just fixed everything that was broken now....






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Qui-Gonzalez
Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:28 am
#9

I doubt anyone would say otherwise. Frankly, restoring the animatiosn they broke is a nice treat, but the fact is, that is just eye candy above anything else. Maybe they should start listening to the community overall as opposed to doing what they "Think" we want.



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LuxDiazepam
Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:33 am
#10

oh yeah, I'm on the bug fix craze right now. =)


I really am not iking trying to help newer players and always having to say "well right now that is a known bug" It seems to be my most given piece of knowledge =(






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riotcontrol
Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:31 am
#11

Bug fixes, of course.



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ZionHalcyon
Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:00 am
#12

Wow, such ignorance in here regarding programming, especially one from an alleged programmer.



I for one would also take the bug fixes, but let me explain something:


There are 2 kinds of bugs, logic bugs and syntax bugs. Syntax bugs are easy to fix, because that is what the compiler catches.


BUT, with logic bugs, the compiler will say everything is ok, because the code is just fine. What is botched is some data somewhere, and the only way to fix it is by checking the effects it has - logic bugs are a pain in the arse to nail down.


Case in point,sayyou havea program that is set to do a count, starting with 1, and going +1 each loop through, and quitting at 4. Now say that you set the data to 1 in this module, but in another module, something is accidentally set to override this one, and sets the data to 5. Now you got a program that is NEVER going to hit 4, and thus, be stuck in an infinite loop, the bane of all programmers.


Now YOU try to find which module out of the complex thousands that make up this game is the one overriding the other module, and correct the issue. And now imagine it isn't a number, but a setting. Starting to get the hint?



Now, I am not saying that is any excuse to release bug-ridden materail, nor am I saying that the bugs should not be corrected - they should be dealt with ASAP. In fact, any reported bugs should be dealt with on the TC before release - the playerbase cares little right now for new content when it compares to bug fixes.


What I AM saying is that you have no idea how hard it is to troubleshoot something this complex, and as such, show your ignorance when acting like fixing the bugs is some easy task.


I have my doubts if the supposed programmer above has done anything harder than "Hello World" (any programmer will know what I am talking about when I say this); even if he has, I doubt he has any idea how difficult something like this is - a friend of mine and I programmed our own simple graphics engine in High School, and we had all sorts of issues getting THAT off the ground with the logic errors, and that is just one component of this game, and nowhere near the complexity - ours didn't even have built in driver support.


So if you want them to focus on bug fixes, hey, I am with you. Just don't insult them and make yourself look dumber than a bag of rocks by saying that fixing bugs is some easy task.



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Arnwald
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:08 am
#13

So far the poll goes :


[9 ] Bug Fixes, but no new content (added my vote)

[ 0 ] New content



[ 1 ] Bugs Fixes with minimal new content


I'd suggestto choose between solution Bug Fixes OR New content, it does not help the dev saying : I want bug fixes but I want new content even minimal ones.


The idea behind this is do you want milk orlemon in your tea, turst me you don't want to have both



Maybe you would edit your post to include [POLL] in it
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