Community Relations Archive

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Rincewind-101 wrote:

My guild then said that in EQ2 their are some kind of looting rights if you start the fight you get the loot.Which means that things like this cant happen. Even if someone out damages you, the original group or person gets the loot. This would stop all kill punking.

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In EQ2 once your group attacks an npc the encounter is locked and nobody from the outside can take any action against the npc or toward the group. If someone in the group yells for help the encounter is broken and yields no rewards or xp, but people can attack the mob and/or heal the parties involved. It is not a perfect system but does help slow down people leeching xp and spaming specials to outdamage other people and thus get looting rights.

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Ringnar wrote:

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Rincewind-101 wrote:

My guild then said that in EQ2 their are some kind of looting rights if you start the fight you get the loot. Which means that things like this cant happen. Even if someone out damages you, the original group or person gets the loot. This would stop all kill punking.

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In EQ2 once your group attacks an npc the encounter is locked and nobody from the outside can take any action against the npc or toward the group. If someone in the group yells for help the encounter is broken and yields no rewards or xp, but people can attack the mob and/or heal the parties involved. It is not a perfect system but does help slow down people leeching xp and spaming specials to outdamage other people and thus get looting rights.

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When can we expect SOE to install this great system? I mean the whole. I outdamaged you HAHAHA rule is really friggin annoying.

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Ringnar wrote:

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Rincewind-101 wrote:

My guild then said that in EQ2 their are some kind of looting rights if you start the fight you get the loot. Which means that things like this cant happen. Even if someone out damages you, the original group or person gets the loot. This would stop all kill punking.

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In EQ2 once your group attacks an npc the encounter is locked and nobody from the outside can take any action against the npc or toward the group. If someone in the group yells for help the encounter is broken and yields no rewards or xp, but people can attack the mob and/or heal the parties involved. It is not a perfect system but does help slow down people leeching xp and spaming specials to outdamage other people and thus get looting rights.

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Sounds like an excellent idea to me. I hope that a red name will see this and take it into consideration.

A few guild members had a discussion about this around a week ago and one of the things that came up was that with the "first-come-first-serve" method similar to EQ the problem would be that say 2 people or groups are camping the ackley spawn- one group is melee stackers and one group is a bunch or people and a rifleman. suddenly the ackley spawns and both groups are say 20-25m away. who's going to get the loot rights if the new system is put into place? the group with the rifleman, because while the melee group has to run to the spawn the rifleman takes one shot at the ackley and his/her group gets locked in, essentially making all spawns a "race for loot rights" in a different way than it is now, but nonetheless still extremely frustrating. given, this would stop the times when you are eg hunting krayts and are working on a dragon for 5min when another group/person decides to come along and outdamage you, but it creates other and messier problems to deal with.

Grozzer Agoutt
Kauri
MBE/Sentinel

First shot loot rights just turn camping into a game of lowest ping instead of highest damage in static spawns.


At least with highest damage you have the option of taking up a high damage profession or grouping with people to try and out damage.

If you don’t have lowest ping with shot first then there isn't anything you can do about it.

I think a lock on wild spawns if you do 25% of the damage with no other groups competing would help with the most annoying forms of kill stealing.

Message Edited by ObiQuixote on 02-07-2005 02:02 AM

Message Edited by Rincewind-101 on 02-07-2005 02:32 AM

Its the whole super solo self asorbed dynamic they created with doctor buffs. In games where co-op and group tactic is required you see very little KS and Ninja looting- it gets you blacklisted fast, and when no one wants to group with you your characters basicly advancing no where.

in an effort to appease these subscribing players with bad group ettiquete, buffs were added and thus soloing began, killing any direct neccassity to play right w/ others, as no one needs anyone else to advance combat wise, players will do w/e they feel like because acting like tools does not threaten to hinder their advancement. Its the solo dynamic they created is why KSers and Ninjalooters are so common in this game.

Message Edited by LethalSilence on 02-07-2005 08:12 PM

I think the easiest solution is fixing the dmg outputs for all profession/items so that 'proportionately' everyone has the same chance at widdling down whatever HAM pool their working on equally. Thus making it so that a Swordsman and Rifleman have the same 'time' restrictions as the rest of us at making a kill. Granted, you've got a better weapon, and some other options you'll still have to deal with steal killing 'which is legal since this is a game of outdamaging'. However, clearly some professions have a lopsided advantage. In a game where combatants were suppose to be equal! I think this is something that, yet again, we're going to have to wait till Combat Revamp to see if this changes any.

The Lunatic Fringer