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Thread: Euro get Double XP as compensation, what about Bria?

Hostel_Bant
Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:37 pm
#1

I am going to try and keep my cool about this, but I can't help but be just more than slightly ticked off right now. After all the problems that have plagued Bria, and the amount of downtime that was created in August and September, we were promised some form of compensation. To say the least, what we received, while a small step in the right direction, was far from being a fair and just compensation.


Judging from my travels around Bria, I would deduce that at least half of the current active population (those who log in regularly, not those that have not been active since October of 2003) are Force Sensitive, and therefore inelligible for the free cross server trade from Bria. To those who were able to take advantage of that, and did, good on them. I hope that it solved thier issues with playing SWG. However, those of us who are Force Sensitive and beyond received no compensation for the DAYS of downtime that Bria has suffered.


Now, it appears that the Euro servers experianced some difficulty of thier own, and were down for an extended length of time. While I am not trying to belittle the problems experianced on the European Galaxies, I am questioning the decision to compensate them. As soon as their Galaxies were up and running, double XP was enacted on those servers. While I am glad those servers are receiving a form of compensation that is available for all, I condemn this decision because there are loyal players from the Bria Galaxy who still feel like they have been forgotten about and left out in the cold because there was nothing for us to make up for the days of lost playtime.


Bria is the most populated server on SWG. The European servers, while having thier own identity, are small in comparison and less populated then Bria is. The question begs to be answered, as to why was such a quick and available fix readily available to the Euro servers, when Tiggs told us that double XP would not be enacted for Bria as a compensation, and prmised to come up with something?


This is the kind of hypocratic, backstabbing policies that alienate players from the game. If that is your purpose, then I would say to you that you are succeeding quite well.


In closing, I ask, on behalf of the players of Bria, is there compensation in the works that will be available to all of Bria player base? Personally, I would love to hear exactly what Tigg's has to say about this latest slap in the face to Bria players. I am usually a calm voice of reason when these kind of blunders happen, but I can not continue to defend SOE anymore.



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Phuzakie
Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:07 pm
#2

I don't even play on Bria but I support your arguement here. If double xp is not available as compensation for one server it shouldn't be a viable option for another. That being said, you nailed the reason for this in your arguement. The european servers are far less populated, therefore SOE feels they can afford to lose less subscriptions on those servers than on Bria.


I'm absolutely disgusted with all the problems in this game and the inept management at SOE in regards to support. And for all the DEVs and CSRs that would challenge me to see what I would do in their shoes, I dare them... I double dog dare them. If I ran a half-*** shop like this in my job, I'd lose it in a heartbeat.


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DajonJamore
Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:17 pm
#3






Hostel_Bant wrote:

I am going to try and keep my cool about this, but I can't help but be just more than slightly ticked off right now. After all the problems that have plagued Bria, and the amount of downtime that was created in August and September, we were promised some form of compensation. To say the least, what we received, while a small step in the right direction, was far from being a fair and just compensation.


Judging from my travels around Bria, I would deduce that at least half of the current active population (those who log in regularly, not those that have not been active since October of 2003) are Force Sensitive, and therefore inelligible for the free cross server trade from Bria. To those who were able to take advantage of that, and did, good on them. I hope that it solved thier issues with playing SWG. However, those of us who are Force Sensitive and beyond received no compensation for the DAYS of downtime that Bria has suffered.


Now, it appears that the Euro servers experianced some difficulty of thier own, and were down for an extended length of time. While I am not trying to belittle the problems experianced on the European Galaxies, I am questioning the decision to compensate them. As soon as their Galaxies were up and running, double XP was enacted on those servers. While I am glad those servers are receiving a form of compensation that is available for all, I condemn this decision because there are loyal players from the Bria Galaxy who still feel like they have been forgotten about and left out in the cold because there was nothing for us to make up for the days of lost playtime.


Bria is the most populated server on SWG. The European servers, while having thier own identity, are small in comparison and less populated then Bria is. The question begs to be answered, as to why was such a quick and available fix readily available to the Euro servers, when Tiggs told us that double XP would not be enacted for Bria as a compensation, and prmised to come up with something?


This is the kind of hypocratic, backstabbing policies that alienate players from the game. If that is your purpose, then I would say to you that you are succeeding quite well.


In closing, I ask, on behalf of the players of Bria, is there compensation in the works that will be available to all of Bria player base? Personally, I would love to hear exactly what Tigg's has to say about this latest slap in the face to Bria players. I am usually a calm voice of reason when these kind of blunders happen, but I can not continue to defend SOE anymore.






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Hostel_Bant
Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:44 pm
#4

Now before anyone else replies, I just want to make it clear I am not trying to ignite a flame war against the Devs, CSR's, or any of that. But I feel that this is simply unfair to offer double xp on the Euro servers while telling Bria that is not an option. There is just something inherently wrong in that. Bria is given something that not even half the player base there can partake of, the chracater transfer, while Euro gets something that all players can benefit from, double xp.


This is an outrageous double standard, and it needs to be addressed.





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StarBuck1771
Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:58 pm
#5

I agree Bria was messed up for a long time and we were promised a reward which we have not received. Yet the euro servers have problems for 2 days and they get double xp. What the heck is SOE thinking?



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Blaiseball
Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:40 pm
#6






StarBuck1771 wrote:

I agree Bria was messed up for a long time and we were promised a reward which we have not received. Yet the euro servers have problems for 2 days and they get double xp. What the heck is SOE thinking?





Yeah, we had the same issues for WEEKS, and the Euro servers are down two days and they get a reward.


W/e with the Euro servers, let them have their XP, I suppose they deserve something as well, but we deserve the same or better for our issues.


I personally think Double XP is a silly reward, but it's MUCH better than a server transfer on the server with possibly the most dedicated playerbase of all of them.



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Exoclyps
Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:26 pm
#7


As I agree your compensation sux, coz id never want to transfer my character out of chimaera... I do still think my compesation sux as well... Im not getting any benith from double xp as Im already fully trained...


So im in the same position as you guys, losing a lot of play time, with no actual compensation...




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Hostel_Bant
Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:13 pm
#8

I did alittle research into this and here is some of the things I came up with.


In the latter part of August, Bria started experiancing a lot of crashes, rollbacks etc. Of course the playerbase was frustrated that they could not play on thier server. Now when I say a lot of crashes and rollbacks, I mean there was a week where Bria was up maybe a total of about two days time. It was bad. Now I'm not belittling what happened on the Euro servers, but thier outtages pale in comparison to the problems the players on Bria have been through.


Tiggs was as interactive as one could be, trying to answer as many questions and address as many concerns as she could. However a lot of responses formed more questions than answers, and the playerbase grew increasingly frustrated over her not being more revealing with information as to why the server was acting up, what was being done to fix the server, and what form of compensation for all the lost play time would be.


On August 25th, at 9:30 am, Tiggs posted the following on the Bria boards,


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Bria&message.id=927486&query.id=0#M927486


"I wasn't aware of Bria not returning until that late. Sleep took over my body early last night Your characters, items ect. are ok and you shouldn't be concerned.

Let me ask everyone this...

Now please be realistic, what would you like to see as compensation for the downtime you have been experiencing? Please don't say multiplied experience because it isn't going to happen =)"


So when the idea of compensation first came up, double xp is immediately axed. So now begins the debate as to what our compensation is going to be. Many people toss out ideas such as a rebate on thier monthly fee, some type of player reward, or a character transfer to another server. Tiggs keeps pretty mum on the compensation issue, as noted later that same afternoon when she posts the following.


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Bria&message.id=928325#M928325


"Bria Players,

We realize that there have been some recent server resource issues with your game server. Primarily, this is due to the fact that Bria is one of our oldest and most popular servers and therefore carries quite a large load of player item/information data. We want to reassure you that we are working very hard to resolve the issue as fast as we can. There are several different initiatives in process right now including: hardware, software and database programming changes. You should begin to see improvements beginning next week and continuing over the next few weeks. We realize how inconvenient this is for our players and you can be sure we will reward your patience.

Thanks again for your support and understanding during this period.

The SWG Development Team"

So we can expect to be rewarded for our patience now. Now I understand that this is of course only a few hours after the idea of compensation is brought up, and I don't expect a result that quick. But this was the beginning of a lot of conjecture as to what, if anything, was going to be our compensation. There was a division among the player base as some wanted double XP. Others favored a free character trasnfer to another server.


On August 31st, 6 days later, Bria is still having hiccups. Tigg's posts this on the Bria boards when a player asks about any compensation that has been discussed...


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Bria&message.id=944764#M944764


"I am hoping to have a post on that by the weeks end for you"


18 minutes later, when someone asks for more information, Tigg's responds...

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Bria&message.id=944869#M944869


"We are trying to get things in place and there is an approval process. When I have definite information, you will have it. I have posted many times I will not give you information unless I know it is solid. We are all working very hard over here to get Bria stable and on a way to compensate the community. I honestly think everyone will be happy with what we come up with once we can get it approved through the proper channels."


Well, needless to say, we went more than a week. We waited two and a half weeks to be exact, because it was on September 19th that SOE finally announced a free character transfer with items and credits from Bria, to another server. At first glance, this seemed to be the compensation that many had asked for. However, upon reading the fine print, we find out this was not to be. Upon reading the fine print, this little glitch jumps out...



  • A character that has become Force-sensitive or Jedi cannot be moved to another Galaxy or another account.

  • Within minutes, the community is in uproar. This is not the compensation we thought we were going to get. I can tell you in all honesty, in my travels around Bria, that at least half the server is at least glowing with the Force. It's not like getting glowie is that hard. But this was a pretty weakhanded compensation. I do not have exact numbers as to how many people actually took SOE's transfer offer, though I know people did. However, thier departure has not had any effect on actual server performance.


    So as I stated before, while some people would not benefit from double xp because they have finished templates, I feel that it would have been a better compensation then the free character transfer because at least the double xp would have been available to all characters, and not have shut out the FS population.


    I would really hope that someone in the upper echelons of SOE comes across this and reads it, and responds to it. Alot to hope for I already know, and it is the same thing that many forum posters have begged for many many times. But I firmly this hypocrisy has gone too far. Someone owes the Bria community an explanation because it is this kind of mismanagement that costs SOE subscribers. I'm not looking to balme anyone for this, but I beleive some questions deserve answering.





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    GuiltySparkKauri
    Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:11 pm
    #9

    To me this is really a huge slap in the face to all who play on Bria. Never make a promise you can't keep. To give Euro servers double XP after promising Bria as a whole we would get something "worthwhile" and then didn't follow through is an outrage. I had to do Jabba's three times. Lost factories that I had made, and basicly stopped playing because everytime I moved the server crashed. I was afraid of getting anything of value and having it vanish from yet another rollback. I didn't want to hunt because they would just take the XP away again.


    I come back from eight months off to find all the same old bugs still not fixed. Same missions still broken. Friends list that won't update properly. Clipping issues that I KNOW you were made aware of. Simple things really, but to keep coming out with these expansions and massive changes while you do nothing about the bugs that have been in game for two years is disgracefull. You pushed the combat upgrade on ALL players, not just the ones that thought a change was in order (maybe 10% of players) and drove away a lot of players. The only reason I even play on Bria is because my old server is dead. And I see more changes coming that people don't want like the smuggler changes.


    I just flat don't understand your thinking. It's like you are TRYING to drive people away. Well, when this game is gone and all the servers are shutdown, you'll have no one to blame but yourselfs for driving all your customers away.


    Iroth
    Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:17 pm
    #10

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    GuiltySparkKauri
    Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:25 pm
    #11

    That's a hell of a post Hostel_Bant. Good research.


    My problem with this whole deal is first they should have never promised us anything to begin with, then we wouldn't have expected anything. Secondly, they shouldn't have gave the Euro servers something they refused to give us. I have a toon on Chimara. I think they deserve double XP, just as much as we should have been offered that.


    I've said in another thread I didn't care if the reward was a free swoop for everyone. At least no one would have been excluded for being "glowy" or jedi's, and although it wouldn't have really been "worthwhile", at least it would have been something and they could have for the most part fullfilled their promise to us.

    BrianT
    Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:25 pm
    #12

    Completely agree with you. We dealt with problems far longer than the Euro Servers did.

    We were promised compensation, told that double xp is not going to happen, but that we'd be happy with what they did come up with. Several weeks go by with more problems and out comes the free transfer that they wont even state is or is not our compensation and basically benefits SOE more than it does us by reducing their server load. I like most players that have been here for more than a few months have become glowie, whether intentional or not, since it's easy enough to do now without even trying and therefore not eligible for the transfer.

    Now when the European Servers have problems, you give them the exact thing you told us would never happen for us and did it in record time since we are still waiting for our "official" compensation. Although I would be happy with double xp to make up for my lost time, I don't need it and don't really care if I get it. But what's fair for one server is fair for the others. Are we less deserving of the same compensation as other servers? Either give us the same compensation as the European servers or give them the same thing you offered us. Nothing.

    Message Edited by BrianT on 10-29-2005 10:27 PM




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    slade-s
    Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:26 am
    #13

    /sign for everyone and then some nice research, but i bet you probably stunbled them in there tracks with the research, and most likely will not get anytype of response but....we are SOE, have you seen our baseball?




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