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Thread: I've come to the inescapable conclusion...

RankorCity
Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:03 pm
#1

That the devshate us.


They really, really, really...really...hate us.


From the early days, when viaa bug the developer only forums were open to the public viewing for about an hour when the producer at that time said he "hated us, and wished we would just go away", to the carrot dangling by TH for over a year, to the teasing of having Helios in here posting regularly to the way they have flat out ignored us since CU launch (with the exception of the Proton Rifle "fix").


There are times when I see a rifleman run by me spamming specials using rifle and carbine specials and watching his action barely move that I think about deleting my Commando gear (with my +25 hvy weap speed, +25 hvy weap accuracy, +25 hvy weap defense shirt) and going FOTM Ranged Class/MCM and just being done with it.


But something, dont know what it is, keeps me from pressing the deletion confirmation icon....


But I'm serious. I think they hate us. Or dont know what to do with us. Our role changed. No notification. "Hey guys, your AoE is fixed!" courtesy of Blixtev- this was said 3 or 4 months ago, pushed to live - still doesnt work, and noone knew about it despite our rants here, and Sterns posts in the Correspondent forums. They were under the impression it was working!!


I just feel like ranting. If you feel the same, post here. If you dont, move along.



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Lord_Eoin
Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:28 pm
#2

What really is needed is the 'tester' branch of SOE, devs who are assigned/apply to be the 'Head' of a profession(much like corospondants) and play that profession regularly. Its obvious that the devs don't play, otherwise they'd know the state of their 'fix'



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StarNick
Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:32 pm
#3

It's a very big if (for Devs flat out ignoring us)...

...but it seems I've been getting quite a few of those lately. Not to mention, another failure for a follow-up regarding AoE...

--Edited for some clarification--

Message Edited by StarNick on 09-28-2005 08:32 PM



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--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

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RankorCity
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:11 pm
#4







StarNick wrote:
It's a very big if...

...but it seems I've been getting quite a few of those lately. Not to mention, another failure for a follow-up regarding AoE...





Huh?


That REALLY doesnt sound good....

Message Edited by RankorCity on 09-27-2005 11:13 PM



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Kaytin
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:43 pm
#5

When you guys are talking about AoE being broken, is it the damage or the actual spreading out to the different things in front of you? If it is the latter, I have no problem with it cause my pistol stopping shot hits everything in front of me with a root. If it is the former, then I heartily agree with you...





Col. Kaytin Iehaekai
Imperial Security Bureau
(Apprentice)
Elder Commando/TKM
Raptor2k1
Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:01 pm
#6

AoE is broken in two ways.


1. 1 damage + elemental damage to surrounding targets


2. AoE specials + AoE weapons (aka, ours) = single-target special w/ AoE weapon equivalent.



Kyeran Halkyon

Master Gunfighter and Demolitionist of the Old Republic Navy
SWG Commando Forum


Reydon
Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:57 am
#7

Devs do hate us, because we are the only profession they cant break. We have remained Commando through nerfs, all of us, and the devs don't like that. I honestly am starting to believe they just hate us because they have yet to find a way to crush the Commandos Spirit. And they never will. Is there hope for our prof? At this point, probably not. Am I going to give in? Heck no. Devs can crush our prof, hurt our strength, but never can they destroy the one thing that makes us stronger then any other profession, our spirit.




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
KODAKSTEVENS
Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:05 am
#8






Reydon wrote:

Devs do hate us, because we are the only profession they cant break. We have remained Commando through nerfs, all of us, and the devs don't like that. I honestly am starting to believe they just hate us because they have yet to find a way to crush the Commandos Spirit. And they never will. Is there hope for our prof? At this point, probably not. Am I going to give in? Heck no. Devs can crush our prof, hurt our strength, but never can they destroy the one thing that makes us stronger then any other profession, our spirit.





ive just masterd commando , and im loving every bit of it , i wish i was pre-commando , musta been cool , oh well life gose on , but commando is very very very VERY fun , at the moment its jedi powers sorta thing



Bruce- Wayne
First Mon Calimari Jedi Of Chim
Pre Combat Upgrade Jedi
Pre New Game Experince Jedi
Jedi Elder

-Steven- Alcpwnd , Commando 4 Life
RizeDega
Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:38 am
#9

i just did a respec to:

Master Commando
4004 Smuggler
0034 Pistoleer
4000 Combat Medic

Now i went with this combo because i figured i would be the master of state control.. i could use quick draw with my flamer and do insane damage in quick repitition. However, all the other heavy weapons just suk for dmg. Even the flamer is only around 800 max, 450 min. Which is good for pvp but i miss alot even with 140 general ranged accuracy, which i now realize is broken because i just miss way to much. so "general ranged accuracy is broke on heavy weapons" is my official quote of the day. Devs need to fix this.

So far my issue is the SAC costs. The damage output is supposed to match the amount of action costs right? But then again that would make too much sense. Take for example jedi prof. Lightsaber at master does awesome damage and low force costs while master powers uses more action than a rifleman and does less damage output than all combat professions combined.

SOE have no sense of logic. They also cant program, and never played their own game. Its a corporation and they just want to make money. Not fixing the bugs means we spend more time playing waiting for the bugs to be fixed. They know this, and they dont care.



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Founder of the Eclipse Dark Jedi Enclave
Ajo79
Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:54 am
#10

Somethings fishy, thats for sure. The Devs realy need to get their act together and do something about our broken profession.


We're definatly the unwanted stepchild that no one cares about.


They can try to break us, but they never will. Surrender is not an option for Commandos.





Ajo Nibor | Ryler Erlovski | Rofy Vrell
Tic Nibor | Jovy Rellno | Inyra D'Forge & Li'wyn Daine
Eclipse - Citizen of Mos Mosel

Kaytin
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:20 am
#11






Reydon wrote:

Devs do hate us, because we are the only profession they cant break. We have remained Commando through nerfs, all of us, and the devs don't like that. I honestly am starting to believe they just hate us because they have yet to find a way to crush the Commandos Spirit. And they never will. Is there hope for our prof? At this point, probably not. Am I going to give in? Heck no. Devs can crush our prof, hurt our strength, but never can they destroy the one thing that makes us stronger then any other profession, our spirit.






Damn, when did the commando population become whinny and hateful like the Jedi...


So the devs haven't shown us love, doesn't mean they HATE us. We just aren't in their money making margin right now. Jedi and BH are the biggest reasons people are buying the game right now. It's also not the devs fault. They don't get to choose what they work on as much as one would think. Much of what comes out in publishes is due to the corporate suits choosing what will and won't make money for the company.


We will get love, jut not today. If you love the profession, you will stick with it. The fact that Ranger and Smuggler are gonna get love soon (unless this has changed and is old news that has been scrapped) are signs that things are floating away from being centered on Jedi and BHs.


If you honestly think that the devs as a whole have it in for the Commando populous... you are a f***ing moron.





Col. Kaytin Iehaekai
Imperial Security Bureau
(Apprentice)
Elder Commando/TKM
TK-132
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:40 am
#12






Kaytin wrote:






Reydon wrote:

Devs do hate us, because we are the only profession they cant break. We have remained Commando through nerfs, all of us, and the devs don't like that. I honestly am starting to believe they just hate us because they have yet to find a way to crush the Commandos Spirit. And they never will. Is there hope for our prof? At this point, probably not. Am I going to give in? Heck no. Devs can crush our prof, hurt our strength, but never can they destroy the one thing that makes us stronger then any other profession, our spirit.






Damn, when did the commando population become whinny and hateful like the Jedi...


So the devs haven't shown us love, doesn't mean they HATE us. We just aren't in their money making margin right now. Jedi and BH are the biggest reasons people are buying the game right now. It's also not the devs fault. They don't get to choose what they work on as much as one would think. Much of what comes out in publishes is due to the corporate suits choosing what will and won't make money for the company.


We will get love, jut not today. If you love the profession, you will stick with it. The fact that Ranger and Smuggler are gonna get love soon (unless this has changed and is old news that has been scrapped) are signs that things are floating away from being centered on Jedi and BHs.


If you honestly think that the devs as a whole have it in for the Commando populous... you are a f***ing moron.






They do sort of. They don't hate us, otherwise we would of have been removed. But they think of us as the following.


2003, we used our Uber Flame DoTs and killed AT-STs with Flame Dots oh noes!


We got nerfed super bad, after that which is about the time I started, because I asked my cousin what did you think was a good profession, he said commando, cause I guess he hadn't heard what the Devs did. I also vaguely remember the Devs saying something about us, and everyone screamed it seemed like "Evil Exploiting Commandos! NERF THEM!".



So we were left like that pretty useless, but it was still fun and good, but compared to other folks Commandos kinda sucked, unless you needed DoTs to kill SBDs.



We used the LP as a Lag Tool to crash people.


We stacked flame dots for good damage against SBDs and the like.


We used Grendes by the crate to grind out Combat XP, to become Jedi faster.


Now we are being bad by mass rooting stuff with our AOEs, and using Stopping Shot or whatever is overpowering with the Flamethrower cause it would also give you a Flame DoT along with damage.



To the Devs we are the exploiting greifing jerks, and all because lots of knuckledheads, probably Jedi now always used what we had for their power purposes giving us a bad name.


The Devs don't care about us. To them we're the worst community out there, worse then Jedi or BH, which is filled with brats who care nothing more then doing whatever it takes to PWN people.


So the Devs will continue to stall, lie, and so on, cause that's the way they are.



They don't care about us. Just as long as we pay every month, and don't start a mass of whining or protesting they won't do anything. We are their bad apples. They probably think were already overpowered due to others whining of mass root and what not, and the example of us TH made. Their probably consiering taking AOEs and such away, leaving us just with weapons. Also anytime we ask or come up with ideas for Commando, they probably just think we're plying for extra power so we can become some FOTM.


That's honeslty what I believe.



Anything they do with us, Rangers, Sqaud Leaders, Smugglers, is just to give us false beliefs that things might be good. To mess with us and still keep the center of this game around BH and Jedi, by keeping us lesser. Ranger is probably gonna suck, it's gonna take a gillion resources to make stuff, traps will not work do 200 damage. Squad Leader won't really be any better, Smugglers will never get content or smuggle, DEs, and IDs who the heck are they?





Major Bluko Oll
Imperial High Command
Master Commando
Black Epsilon Ace

"Many things are said, but few are true."
StarNick
Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:04 am
#13

Hate is a very strong word, and may not be an entirely appropiate...but one thing is sure, a lot of SOE promises aren't followed through, whether its due to neglect or it was simply taken out of the overall design. Whether it be the former or later, I notice that the community rarely gets a reason why...

Kaytin, some of the commandos here are veterans of many, many "we'll get love some day, but it's not today"...even when we were told we'd get love today, we still haven't gotten it. I've been a commando for 2 years, 2 months, and 9 days today...I still feel the profession is fun and love being a commando, and will never change. But its irking when so many times the community has banded together to try and come up with great ideas, help the devs, and show our support (we were one of the only communities at first to fully accept the CU, because we were patient in waiting and felt that would be our day to shine...ironically, we were without a doubt the number one combat profession to be given a shaft). Personally, it's irking because our community is a potent resource and rarely ever gets tapped; rather it gets dissapointed all too often.

Very much like the carrot dangling that the smugglers had to go through since launch...we can only hope their revamp isn't like our CU.



--Stern Synex-- --Master Commando-- --IDI Forces--
--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

Pyro Games

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