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Tyyylowyspetily

Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:50 am

If any of us may have responded to Helios' post with spiteful, venomous, or otherwise non productive posts (any of these), or told the developer "do what Starnick says", please, please, consider:

We don't get developer attention much

We've been begging for developer attention

One has been kind enough to take the time to visit.

The one that has taken the time has been among the most supportive of developers is the person in our forums asking if things are ok.

Regardless of what you may think of the idea that the developers don't know about all of our problems, Helios *is* asking what the dev team can do to help us out, which means they recognize that Starnick has been voicing serious concerns with the game's current design, and they want some direct, constructive feedback, from us, the commandos.

Saying things like "you just ignore Starnick" and "Do what Starnick says" don't help our correspondent's case with the development team.

I know all about irritation, resentment, and frustration with this profession. We have been given a slim hope however, that at least one developer is willing to make an ongoing commitment to helping us in at least a few ways until (hopefully) more time can be alloted to giving us more.

So I beg, plead, grovel, whatever it takes (maybe a sharp blow to the nogginwith the butt of my PFT for some would work more effectively)

"Don't blow this"

If in the heat of the moment, you've said some things that aren't polite, or do not give the indication you EVER want to see a developer in these forums again, please, please reconsider. Use that edit feature and moderate the tone a little, or if you can't say something nice, for pity's sake, show some bearing and discipline and say nothing.

Please.

Tyyy LowYspetily:
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knighttom

Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:49 am

#2

great we get devs to helps or to talk to us and the idiots come out of the woodwork

havent had a chance to read that thread going to when i havent been up for 24 hours working just wanted to say please be kind to helios we might get help that way..

sleep now .. i hope i get to sleep now

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tacwraith

Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:33 am

#3

please consider:

Red named devs have posted before in this forum asking the same useless questions (which answers are found in the stickies in this forum and all over the correspondent forums)...

said a few words, promised a few things...

then went away and forgot about us.

Its standard operating procedure for SOE.

Frankly, them posting here is the same as if they did not post here. The result is the same. Nothing will happen. You know this, I know this. The difference is you wish to delude yourself this aint so.

'Foolish boy. Don't you know anything about Fantasia? It's the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it, is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefor, it has no boundaries.'
'But why is Fantasia dying then?'
'Because people have begun to loose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the nothing grows stronger. It's the emptiness that's left. It's like a despair, destroying this world. And I have been trying to help it.'
'But why?'
'Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has control has the power'
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BloodMonk

Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:35 am

#4

it's called the "throw a dog a bone" tactic...

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Phenix1050

Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:10 am

#5

The current dev team has been doing FAR more than "throwing people a bone". Look at the changes to Creature Handler, for Squad Leader and for Ranger. All of which are or were desperately in need of some changes, as are you (I say you becauseeven though I have a commando toon, people associate me with the Ranger forums). Now, unlike Ranger, you are being asked what those problems are from your perspective. Unlike StarNick's post, this is not simply the biggest problems for the community at large, this is an opportunity for you to tell him what YOU would change, which might not be the same as the things that StarNick has posted.

Guys, I obviously can't promise you anything because I'm not on the design team...but look at recent history. CH needs massive changes. Gets massive changes. Squad Leader needs more reason for groups to want them. Get more reasons for groups to want them. Ranger needs stealth and a role in the game. Gets it. Now a developer comes in here and asks you what YOU need changed, and you flame him? Yikes. Look at it this way-- is there any profession who needs more work in functionality now? I personally don't think so. and with their recent dedication to fixing what is wrong, and the fact that they're interacting with you...allI gotta say is it looks good.

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
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BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

BloodMonk

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:05 am

#6

mmm you should check the smuggler forum...there's a post noting ALL the devs promised but never kept their word on... it starts at beta.....

same situation for commando's I'm afraid....people just lost faith after being fed lies for years.....

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I HATE GRINDING)

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

Managing the Bloodmonks Weapon Facility (aka Sly's Slavepit), Producer of fine specialty weapons.

StarNick

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:08 am

#7

Just FYI, Helios has been the #1 Dev that has been very good to the community...we all know that from the the middle of the CU Beta. He has come back to try and help us out in his free time.

No one asked him to, no one told him to...but he wanted to try and get something our way. Folks, I know we've been given the shaft on promises (boy do I know...), and -many- of us are bitter over it. Don't take it out on Helios however...

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Phenix1050

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:18 am

#8

BloodMonk wrote:

mmm you should check the smuggler forum...there's a post noting ALL the devs promised but never kept their word on... it starts at beta.....

same situation for commando's I'm afraid....people just lost faith after being fed lies for years.....

Rangers had one too. We were promised stuff since 2003 as well, guys. But here's the difference-- for some reason (could be that we presented enough good ideas that they didn't need to ask, could be that they didn't need our feedback since they already had their plans) the developers never posted, asking us what we would change. They never interacted with us, never did anything, but Rangers eventually got their changes, despite hearing empty words for years.

Since the CU, the professions who have lacked functionality have gotten changes. Their track record post-CU is actually very admirable. I know a lot of smugglers don't like the new slicing system, but I like it a LOT more than the old one, and I do have a Master Smuggler toon. (hmm..I have a Ranger, a Smuggler and a Commando...does that make me a masochist?) anyway, the point is that looking at the track record for the whole time of SWG is invalid. a lot of the developers have left or joined or changed positions...it's a whole new ballgame guys.

I'm rooting for commando's to get changes, but flaming the guy who's trying to gather intel probably isn't your best bet. Given strong, constructive feedback with as much info as possible will give them a clear picture or what to fix and what to enhance. But then again, that's just my opinoin.

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

tacwraith

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:26 am

#9

like ive said for 2 years now... words mean zilch , actions speak.

for 2 years soe has just talked and talked and done sh!t.

I dont expect any different now. Just more yapping.

If im to be proven wrong in this case..great. But I do not for a second expect them to.

'Foolish boy. Don't you know anything about Fantasia? It's the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it, is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefor, it has no boundaries.'
'But why is Fantasia dying then?'
'Because people have begun to loose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the nothing grows stronger. It's the emptiness that's left. It's like a despair, destroying this world. And I have been trying to help it.'
'But why?'
'Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has control has the power'
RNA - Master Bio Engineer pet-maker of Flurry (email your order!)

BloodMonk

Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:29 am

#10

I didn't bother flaming em...

I just shrug and say...when they deliver I'll believe em...

and damn the new slicing system isn't bad....but that the slicing comps are DROPS sucks (it was promised by the devs that actualy smuggling missions would be implemented and that smugglers could get their slicing tools that way.....ffs how hard is it to get some toolkits or padding? people having to pay 500K per armourbreakslice because padding is so rare is more than enough proof that the situation totally sucks)

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I HATE GRINDING)

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

Managing the Bloodmonks Weapon Facility (aka Sly's Slavepit), Producer of fine specialty weapons.

StarNick

Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:36 am

#11

I'm rooting for commando's to get changes, but flaming the guy who's trying to gather intel probably isn't your best bet. Given strong, constructive feedback with as much info as possible will give them a clear picture or what to fix and what to enhance. But then again, that's just my opinoin.

Unfortunately this is the 4th or 5th time that we've been asked to give clear and constructive feedback, and that doesn't include all the times we've done it on our own (at least half a dozen, if not more times) trying to get attention...

Now, thats why I understand where you folk's are coming from...and I made note about it in the Corro forums. Give feedback and lets wait and see what happens. If Helios didn't come here, we'd be doing that anyways. Plus, remember back when flames did break out...nothing happened. We have a better chance of getting something when we don't bite off the hand that feeds us.

I hate to say this, but folks have patience for a bit longer...

Message Edited by StarNick on 10-01-2005 01:36 PM

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Ryubushi

Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:40 am

#12

StarNick wrote:
Just FYI, Helios has been the #1 Dev that has been very good to the community...we all know that from the the middle of the CU Beta. He has come back to try and help us out in his free time.

No one asked him to, no one told him to...but he wanted to try and get something our way. Folks, I know we've been given the shaft on promises (boy do I know...), and -many- of us are bitter over it. Don't take it out on Helios however...

Good. I hope he can get something for us that'll help give me a reason to not cancel my subscription. Currently, I'm just waiting to see if the Ranger revamp will be enough to hold me here. If it isn't, and if there isn't a promise of a commando revamp by then with an ETA, I'm gone. I'm sick of how long we've been broken, while Jedi get a new something with damn near every patch/publish.

But, I'm with Tacwraith here; we've seen devs come here before and ask the same questions, get generally the same answers, and nothing ever comes of it. A dev posting here doesn't mean much; a dev actually delivering something to us that we want for a change will mean something.

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Malicious1

Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:26 pm

#13

yes by all means lets grovel for the attention they havent given us for over a year

followed by thanking them profusely for them being so distant from game reality that they havent a clue whats goin on

and lastly of course we can suck up to get fixed

not gonna happen for many of us,doe has the toolittletoolate bug

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