Commando Archive
Thread: Funny how things change
As for the flamer arguement, just stop talking - we've called for cautious nerfs on that OURSELVES, so you can't spout garbage in that respect. Just because the devs haven't taken our suggestions on how to balance our weapon to fairness and used them yetdoesn't mean we deserve this nerf you seem to think is coming (which, the commando developer has expressly said is NOT coming beyond potential fixes (which we asked for) to the Flame DoT).
Yeah, your carbine ain't the best weapon in the game, cry me a river. You've still got not one, but 2 ranged knockdowns.
The LLC works perfectly, and don't say otherwise. I've used it for over two weeks, and I have BH friends who use it almost religiously - Lightning Cone works as perfectly as every otherCone attack in the game does.
Beyond all that, if you think the Flamer is an overpowered PvP weapon, you need to learn to think. Anyone who can't beat a flamethrower in PvP needs a serious eye exam, needs to learn what the precise meaning of "16 meters" is, and needs to learn that their specials work just as well beyond 16m as they do inside 16m.
Good luck, BH boy, hehe, you're gonna need it way more than any Commando ever will.
"Maybe, just maybe, if we stopped arguing about dabblers and masters in every thread on this board, we could string together some constructive criticism that the commando community could use to get the rest of our class fixed."
Hey, what do you know. Somone else gets it. 
As far as BH are concerned, no offense, but did you read my post? I don't think I flamed them, I just mentioned that BH's have 1 similar discussion about "dabblers".I think your primary comment was how the commando community used to be supportive of other classes but now that those other classes are calling for nerf, the commando community is calling for nerf back. I think it is not so much a BH vs Commando issue though, and you are right, the commando community has become very defensive about their new found power.
However I didn't want this thread tofocus onclass vs class, class balance, and nerfs. I wanted it to be a discussion of how attitudes change. The commando's attitude toward dabblers has changed, other classes attitudes toward us has changed, and our overall synergy as a class community seems torn. I really don't see it getting better. These types of arguements have been around since the turn of time, not just with computer games either. There has always been the HAVES and HAVE NOTS. As far as the rest of the SWG community is concerned, the haves are the commando, BH, and CH. For as long as we are the 3 most visible damage dealers, there willbe cries for nerf.
Things have changed so much on these boards since the patch.
Pre-patch, all the posts were about helping fellow commandos out regardless of how much they planned on investing in commando. People actually liked the LP. Everyone prayed for fixes to come to the commando profession.
Post-patch, all the people that argued hard for fixes to come are now the ones arguing that they are too powerful for someone who has not invested the same amount of time/expthey have in the profession. On the same hand, with only 1 of our trees functioning the way it should, people who just take that 1 tree are outcasts, not worthy to call themselves commandos. And thus the battle begins. Who is right? Who is wrong? Good? Bad? Ugly?
The funny thing is, this game is barely out of beta (some may argue it still is), and many more changes to the commando profession are destined to come along. Maybe, just maybe, if we stopped arguing about dabblers and masters in every thread on this board, we could string together some constructive criticism that the commando community could use to get the rest of our class fixed. Then possibly people would consider dropping their precious other support class skills for some more commando. After that, they may actually consider mastering commando, because it would be worth it.
As a side note, how many of you have looked at other class boards and seen the regulars of those boards argue about "dabblers"? The BH board had 1 thread similar to our master vs dabbler discussions. Our board? 2 direct master vs dabbler threads that remain on the front page for days. It's actually pretty pathetic.
Look Bro, I used to support commando's 100% until they got their fixes and started bashing and crying for nerfs on BH's. Now I feel like you guys need to fend for yourselves, because you pretty much screwed over a lot of us who went out of our way to support you pre-patch, and then continued supporting you post patch when others cried to have you nerfed.
I can't tell you, it was probably after the 20-30th thread I read where a commando wanted BH's nerfed, that I just got fed up with it and left you to fend for yourselves. I'm happy your profession is working, I am, but mine is still broken. Right now it takes a person who REALLY enjoys punishment to put in those 300-400 hours for the Investigation line, and severe bugs that go along with it. I haven't heard a single commando stand up against the nerf criers for our profession, or /agree with the fixes we've asked for.
You guys got yer **edit**, and bailed on us. So now you will have to deal with it, just like we did. Once eyeshot is moved to master, all the pistoleers who ran around with BH titles will begin screaming nerf on the commando's, (oh, WAY more than they are now.)
If you feel i'm in error, then prove it, by supporting us the next time their's another (nerf the BH thread).
It's not a black and white world, Grunzer. All of the problems that did and still do exist for Commandos are simple-to-understand problems visible to anyone with a working set of eyes. All of the problems that did and still do exist for Commandos are completely debilitating to the profession as it is used by the players. The BH profession is not in general used for anything more than a cheap,overpowered PvP class. BH's well and truly do need to see the nerf bat swing their way - think about it for a second: You've got a heavy weapon that is equal to or better than the Commando heavy weapons... sorry, love, but Commandos are the masters of heavy weapons, you shouldn't be able to hold a candle to us in that department. You've got a cheap, overpowered shot that targets the mind pool....using a pistol - rifles are the only mind-targetting damage weapon, love, you lose there too. Is investigation too hard to level? Fine, that's a valid complaint if there's no better way to do it.
No one forced the Bounty Hunters to help out the Commandos before - then again, no one was AGAINST the commandos getting fixed before either. When the idiotic masses began screaming to nerf the commando, no one forced the BH's to see that Commandos are not at all overpowered. The difference here is that Bounty Hunters ARE overpowered in some places, and that needs fixing.
The BH profession is not in general used for anything more than a cheap,overpowered PvP class.
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Sorry, but the flamethrower now takes the cake in that respect.
And you're right. nobody forced us to help you out. and we won't be helping out this time. Like I said, you're on your own. Eyeshot is going to master BH. Expect the PVP'ers to swing heavily towards that Flamethrower. And watch the nerf threads start flying.
As far as (master commando, we should be better.) hehehe. oh man, that ones cheap. It hasn't worked for the pistoleers, and it won't work for you either. but go ahead, and use it all you like.
While you're screaming for us to be nerfed, there will be a much larger crowd in the weeks to come that are screaming for you to be nerfed. Pretty soon, you'll be 100% on the defensive, trying to save every last special you have.
We've seen our carbine line nerfed into oblivion, Eyeshot is being reduced in effectiveness and being moved to master. All that's left is an LLC that has accuracy bugs, and the AOE special doesn't work at all.
Commando's pistol/Flamethrower line will be what the hardcore pvp'ers go after next.
Good luck, hehe, you're gonna need it.
I can't tell you, it was probably after the 20-30th thread I read where a commando wanted BH's nerfed, that I just got fed up with it and left you to fend for yourselves. I'm happy your profession is working, I am, but mine is still broken. Right now it takes a person who REALLY enjoys punishment to put in those 300-400 hours for the Investigation line, and severe bugs that go along with it. I haven't heard a single commando stand up against the nerf criers for our profession, or /agree with the fixes we've asked for.
Grunzer, BH is not the only class that needs fixing. Sure commandos got some fixin with the FT, but the rest of the proffession needs fixed or tweaked also. (Like the HAR) So don't go around spouting that commando is "fixed". It would be just as bad if I went around talkin about how BH is not broken, but I know better. I'm sure you have plenty of bugs fixed and tweaks that need to be done.