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Thread: Discussion: Our 6/16 Question for TH's 19 Answers

garvin
Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:51 am
#1

Starting this thread to discuss what we should ask (and how we should ask it) for our next Question...


Background: Thunderheart, a Customer Service Dev, established a process of Correspondents asking 1 question every 2 weeks that goes back to the Devs/Programmers for an answer. The more specific the question, generally the better the response.


Last Weeks Question/Answer:



Commando

As Commandos, we have heard that many of our issues will be covered within the Combat Balance, but beyond that we have no details on the specifics being addressed. Specifically we would like to know about the plans for non-functional lootable Heavy Weapon Skill Mods (effect skills not present in Commando Profession since Beta), HAR issues.


This is an early answer and is subject to change, but one of our goals for Commandos in the Combat Balance is to change the way Heavy Weapon modifiers work. In simple terms, instead of the modifiers coming from the skill tree, the mods would be available through skill tapes and other means. The skill tree would then be used for something else (as of yet undetermined – there are some things on the table, but we wont know until the Combat Balance sandbox is live).


When the Combat Balance begins (which will be soon), the correspondents and some players will be brought on to a special Combat Balance server. We will support that with some In Development threads and other communication tools. I’ll also do some update posts, too.






Now...We have a choice...we could ask a follow up question based on TH's response above (we've peeled back one layer of the CB, do we risk trying to get a bit deeper?)...OR...Do we go more towards some other issues we want information on...


Some suggested questions:


Follow Up Question 1: In our 6/2 Answer, we were told that the Devs/Programmers are considering adding a new tree to the Commando profession in place of the Heavy Weapon Tree. It was stated that "there are some things on the table" when it comes to ideas for that new tree. What are those ideas that are being considered AND if our Heavy Weapon mods are being removed from the tree, will we be forced to rely solely on looted skill mods for speed/accuracy for our Consumable Weapons?


Some suggestions that have come up in the Commando forum include an Assult Rifle Tree (ranged specials), Auto Repeater Tree, Unarmed Tactics Tree (Melee Mitigation + Melee Specials thanks to our Unarmed pre-req)and/orLauncher Pistol Tree (skills mods and ranged specials with status effects).


Follow Up Question 2: In our 6/2 Answer, regarding our Heavy Weapon skills, it was stated"in simple terms, instead of the modifiers coming from the skill tree, the mods would be available through skill tapes and other means"...Will this involve current Heavy Weapon Speed & Accuracy skill mods that currently exist and drop in game OR will this involve completely new looted skill mods. Will all of our skills for our Heavy Weapons come from looted skill mods or will we gain some in other boxes (for example, +50 in Novice Commando and +60 in Master Commando only)?


Non-Follow Up Question 3: Bomb Droids are configured not to damage the Bounty Hunter or Smuggler User when caught in it's blast radius and has no HAM cost. Many other area attacks in game do not damage the user when caught in the damage radius area, but they do typically include a HAM cost. Commando grenades on the otherhand will damage the user if caught in the blast radius and when combined witha very highHAM cost, often incapps the Commando user (that's why we call them suicide bombs). The Ideal range of our Grenades is also occasionally within the blast radious. Can our Grenades be configured along the same lines of not damaging the user if caught in the blast radius, and along the same lines, can we see the extremely high HAM costs lowered significantly to be on par with other similar ingame items?

Other improvement suggestions to take into consideration for our Grenades include adding Status effect possibilities(dizzy, stun, blind, kd, etc).







So...Do these questions work for you? Why or Why Not? And if you have a different question you feel should be asked, let me know...as always, I'll go the direction of popular concensus and refine this post as we approach the Question deadline next week (as always, be prepared for Answer delays)...



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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Naquiel
Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:07 am
#2

Well from the 2 follow up questions i know i cant help you there. But for the NON-follow up question i would like to know since im a BH.


I like the little BOOM droids myself, but i think there should be a effect on us like what commandos get. But the desv might have waved the effect because calling a Boom droid takes langer to call and use than granades. For BH/Smugglers to call a droid we can have the droid out befor battle and use the droid in battle with no problem but if we try to call a droid in battle we cant call them, but we can use a deed to pop one. From poping a droid in battle we will not be able to detonate the bugger untill a 15 second delay is done. So by having the timers on use useing a boom droid might be the negative effect we have instead of ham damage for being to close to the desructive little Boomer.





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The_Great_Destroyer
Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:20 am
#3

After buying some grenades, I think they're so broken and their DPS is so low, that our only question should be if they'd take them back to the drawing board. So I guess that's a vote for question 1, as HSWs are my main interest.



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Hellshot
Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:04 pm
#4






garvin wrote:


Non-Follow Up Question 3: Bomb Droids are configured not to damage the Bounty Hunter or Smuggler User when caught in it's blast radius and has no HAM cost. Many other area attacks in game do not damage the user when caught in the damage radius area, but they do typically include a HAM cost. Commando grenades on the otherhand will damage the user if caught in the blast radius and when combined witha very highHAM cost, often incapps the Commando user (that's why we call them suicide bombs). The Ideal range of our Grenades is also occasionally within the blast radious. Can our Grenades be configured along the same lines of not damaging the user if caught in the blast radius, and along the same lines, can we see the extremely high HAM costs lowered significantly to be on par with other similar ingame items?




Other improvement suggestions to take into consideration for our Grenades include adding Status effect possibilities(dizzy, stun, blind, kd, etc).







I would favor this question with a modification to suggest that the ideal ranges be increased to be outside of melee range (20m) with reduced delays so that we can use these as anti-infantry weapons. I am going to guess that changes to the HAM cost will fall under the umbrella of the combat balance, and status effects will change also. I am guessing that we won't be able to get to much of a response on the new tree or the heavy weapons change since they sounded like they are still under development.



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Raptor2k1
Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:37 pm
#5

I favor follow-up question one myself...




Though if you decide to go with the grenade question, you might want to suggest some tinkering with the accuracy and ideal range and range modifiers as well (given they can't be thrown over 32m anyways, I really don't think they range for accuracy should be so extraordinarily low) since you can't hit the broad side of a barn with one right now.


You might also want to inquire as to if it's possible to change grenade AE damage and affects to hit everything in the area of the explosion, unlike right now where it won't go off on othersif it misses the target.


Would it be possible to have grenades function more like CM grenades?





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BravenIrish
Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:58 pm
#6

I agree with Hellshot on this one.


I've kinda been looking at these questions as not only a way to get info, but to bring certain issues to light as well...kinda like a two way street. We've got some insight on our Heavy Weapons Tree. I'm thinking that mabey we should try to develop a question reguarding our grenades, or more specifiaclly, our Field Tactics tree next. Then maybe we should try to address our HAR.


As for grenades...Just a few rapidfire questions that might spark interest.



  • Why do exploding droids not effect thier user within thier blast radius and our grenades do?

  • Why is it that we have such a short range for our grenades (within it's blast radius actually) and CM have such large range for disease and such?

  • Is the damage within the blast radius working as intended?

  • Is there any talk about adding status effects?

  • Why don't we have some grenades that effect vehicles and turrets(Phosphrus) or Droids (Ion) more specifically?

  • How come we don't have any specials in the Field Tactics Tree?

  • Can we get a type of Smoke Grenade? How about a Flash Bang type deal?

  • Why can't we set a trip wire on our grenades? Or maybe SET a time delay even?

  • Why can't we toss our grenades around corners without exposing ourselves?

  • Why can't we use grenades to breech locked doors?

  • Why can't grenades clear mindfields?

Anyway, I'm not so sure we should try to dig deeper into the Heavy Weapon questionso soon. I think we can get a better responce moving around a bit instead of trying to get everything about one tree (and our mystery tree) question after question.


Just MHO.


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nerfherder321
Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:51 pm
#7

i have a question... why cant we duel weild? i mean... come on? wer e supposed to be uber or something, like the commandos in republic commandos with their awesome stuff and the duel weilding pistos... i think we should get that




Cheat Fetto
RepublicSoldier
Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:43 pm
#8






garvin wrote:


Last Weeks Question/Answer:



Commando

As Commandos, we have heard that many of our issues will be covered within the Combat Balance, but beyond that we have no details on the specifics being addressed. Specifically we would like to know about the plans for non-functional lootable Heavy Weapon Skill Mods (effect skills not present in Commando Profession since Beta), HAR issues.


This is an early answer and is subject to change, but one of our goals for Commandos in the Combat Balance is to change the way Heavy Weapon modifiers work. In simple terms, instead of the modifiers coming from the skill tree, the mods would be available through skill tapes and other means. The skill tree would then be used for something else (as of yet undetermined – there are some things on the table, but we wont know until the Combat Balance sandbox is live).


Am I alone in thinking that LOOTABLE skill taped is a very BAD idea. Honestly look at how it was around last christmas. Everyone and there dads were camping the POI's for them. Than turning around and selling them for high credit amounts. Why take away something and throw it into the woods for us to find. As a commando these are skills we should have learned in training.






Now...We have a choice...we could ask a follow up question based on TH's response above (we've peeled back one layer of the CB, do we risk trying to get a bit deeper?)...OR...Do we go more towards some other issues we want information on...


Some suggested questions:


Follow Up Question 1: In our 6/2 Answer, we were told that the Devs/Programmers are considering adding a new tree to the Commando profession in place of the Heavy Weapon Tree. It was stated that "there are some things on the table" when it comes to ideas for that new tree. What are those ideas that are being considered AND if our Heavy Weapon mods are being removed from the tree, will we be forced to rely solely on looted skill mods for speed/accuracy for our Consumable Weapons?

Again I am STRONGLY against the skill tape idea. A better fix would be to fix what exist and add magazines, clips, battery packs etc...


Some suggestions that have come up in the Commando forum include an Assult Rifle Tree (ranged specials), Auto Repeater Tree, Unarmed Tactics Tree (Melee Mitigation + Melee Specials thanks to our Unarmed pre-req)and/orLauncher Pistol Tree (skills mods and ranged specials with status effects).


Follow Up Question 2: In our 6/2 Answer, regarding our Heavy Weapon skills, it was stated"in simple terms, instead of the modifiers coming from the skill tree, the mods would be available through skill tapes and other means"...Will this involve current Heavy Weapon Speed & Accuracy skill mods that currently exist and drop in game OR will this involve completely new looted skill mods. Will all of our skills for our Heavy Weapons come from looted skill mods or will we gain some in other boxes (for example, +50 in Novice Commando and +60 in Master Commando only)?


Non-Follow Up Question 3: Bomb Droids are configured not to damage the Bounty Hunter or Smuggler User when caught in it's blast radius and has no HAM cost. Many other area attacks in game do not damage the user when caught in the damage radius area, but they do typically include a HAM cost. Commando grenades on the otherhand will damage the user if caught in the blast radius and when combined witha very highHAM cost, often incapps the Commando user (that's why we call them suicide bombs). The Ideal range of our Grenades is also occasionally within the blast radious. Can our Grenades be configured along the same lines of not damaging the user if caught in the blast radius, and along the same lines, can we see the extremely high HAM costs lowered significantly to be on par with other similar ingame items?
If these are my choices than I pick this one. Sadly the other 2 from where I sit seem to cry break us even further and make an entire more useless than it already is.

Other improvement suggestions to take into consideration for our Grenades include adding Status effect possibilities(dizzy, stun, blind, kd, etc).







So...Do these questions work for you? Why or Why Not? And if you have a different question you feel should be asked, let me know...as always, I'll go the direction of popular concensus and refine this post as we approach the Question deadline next week (as always, be prepared for Answer delays)...

Garvin I know you have busted your butt for all of us since you took over. I appreciate that more than you know. I have read damned near every post you've made here. I just do not understand the logic that the DEV's are using. We have our current skill set is fine. As it's laid out currently. While the ACTUAL modifiers bonuses and defenses suck and 3/4 of our line lays broken.


Why can't we have grenades fixed to not make us an Al-quaida suicide bomber. Fix accuracy with in the existing Heavy weps skill tree. Make our consumable weapons resuable by giving us clips, modify the HAR graphically enough to set it apart from the FT. and Give us some of our own specials with the LP they might even give us 2 LP specials and 2 hand to hand specials in the same tree.


I just think the DEVs are going way too deep when the current skill tree is repairable. Why take away whe IMO the obvious and easier way would be to fix the existing problems. Add a small amount and modify another. Please anyone am I wrong?




Ogryn (new toon currently grinding up to BH)

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LuapLink
Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:05 am
#9

I would love to know what they plan to do with the Heavy Weapons line but I doubt they would tell us so I think we are better off asking the grenades question.



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Noitcopa
Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:07 am
#10

I'd vote for number 3... I feel the 2 follow ups may go into too much detail and result in no answer for us. (If you do go with one of the followups I'd say number 2. and maybe throw in a part asking where the weapon certs will move to... Master?)


Oh... also... bomb droids have NO minimum range witht he /detonate command.





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MichailArris
Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:36 am
#11






garvin wrote:



Non-Follow Up Question 3: Bomb Droids are configured not to damage the Bounty Hunter or Smuggler User when caught in it's blast radius and has no HAM cost. Many other area attacks in game do not damage the user when caught in the damage radius area, but they do typically include a HAM cost. Commando grenades on the otherhand will damage the user if caught in the blast radius and when combined witha very highHAM cost, often incapps the Commando user (that's why we call them suicide bombs). The Ideal range of our Grenades is also occasionally within the blast radious. Can our Grenades be configured along the same lines of not damaging the user if caught in the blast radius, and along the same lines, can we see the extremely high HAM costs lowered significantly to be on par with other similar ingame items?

Other improvement suggestions to take into consideration for our Grenades include adding Status effect possibilities(dizzy, stun, blind, kd, etc).







So...Do these questions work for you? Why or Why Not? And if you have a different question you feel should be asked, let me know...as always, I'll go the direction of popular concensus and refine this post as we approach the Question deadline next week (as always, be prepared for Answer delays)...






I say go with the grenades, this is the one set of items available to the commando where the Risk using them is far greater than the Reward.


Now From what I've seen personally in PvP, and I pretty much stopped doing PvP because of CM's and Geo Pistols. A CM can toss a poison or disease pack further with with more accuracy and less HAM costs. ThanMaster Commandocan toss any grenade.Plus the CM has more DPSwith poisons and diseases,than any grenade that can be crafted. While the CM does see some risk, but their rewards are far greater than ours.


And I really was shocked ata Dev response at Fan Fest concerning CM's, for that person to "Learn Tactics", I would like for that Dev to explain how you devolop a tactic against someone, who hits you with poison from beyond the range that standard weapons can fire from.. And I'm not easily shocked.



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Cool-Mo-Dee
Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:57 am
#12


Questions 1 and 2 are similiar and both are likely to get no where. I was dissapointed with TH's halfass answer to question number 2 and would like him to clarify it, but that seems like a waste of a question to basically ask the same question and I really don't think that he has a clearanswer yet, and won't have one until the combat balance is discussed on the in concept forums. Hopefully he will give us the latest information when he gets it as he says in the answer to question 2, and if he does that, then there's no need to prod for answers.


Question 3 is the best bet (we'veignored theHAR and got a half answer for the HWs and there's no need to ask about the flamer, so grenades would be next), but I would also like to know why CMs don't get poison/diseased by their own area packs like BH/Smugs don't get injured from bomb droids. These are key BALANCE issues that need to be in the combat balance. Even if we could get a skill mod to evade grenades in the field tactics line and master commando, at least that's a step in the right direction (like how CMs should get poison resists but be vulnerable to their area packs IMO).


I have more to say about revamping commando and getting skill points reduced if we don't get revamped and getting terrain negotiation w/o scout, but I will wait til the next question, even though I would rather ask about the future of commando instead of the crap we already have since I assume this question will also get beaten down with the umbrella answer of "wait for CB". Let's get this last piece of crap out of the way and move on hopefully.

Nerj
Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:18 am
#13

We need to be afraid VERY AFRAID of the Combat Balance. Why, you may say?


Look into the Smugglers forum on the revamp and the current JEDI revamp. Look at the past revamps and ONE pattern is shown. Where GREEN MARINE is the developer very litle problems occur, chef revamp, vehicles, player cities, etc. Now he is working JTL, therefore NOT available for the Combat Balance revamp and we have seen what happens when he is NOT involved.





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