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Thread: Challenge to anyone thinking Commandos are to Powerful...BEFORE YOU POST OR REPLY!!!

garvin
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:05 am
#1


I know this won't stop anyone from posting their inaccurate posts, but it's worth saying...


Many people, as predicted, are seeing our new Initial damage via our specials and screaming NERF...they are also finding out that our specials also now result in looting rights (which will give us more faction points as well)...And of course they aren't taking the time to look beyond what they see to find the negatives of all these positives they are seeing...


So like sheep they come here as well as other places and make posts calling for yet more Commando NERFs...something ALL of us Commandos (at least the informed ones) tried to warn TH about with his ill-concieved ideas and tests...


I would like to challange anyone wishing to complain about any uber'ness they feel the commando profession has to 2 things...


First...get a set of heat resist armor...you can find at least 60% from most AS's these days...many are making 80% (my Commando fighting set is 90%)...and go fight a Commando...let them flame special you...look at the Initial damage...now look at the damage actually done AFTER your armor absorbs the damage and applies all the resists...Now try the same test but add in some of the new food buffs that improve your resists...Finally, check how easy it is to repair that damage by just using stim b's....you can heal the damage faster then the Commando can apply it even at Novice medic...Now imagine of you were doing all this while trying to avoid the Commando's firing range of 16m (which is easy to do)...Who does the battle favor? And don't just claim you did this, supply numbers before you make some wild claim of us being to powerful and one-shot killing everything and everyone...


Second...Become a Commando...and the line of "I was once a Commando" isn't worth a hill of beans...nothing is the same....things change...live in the now and see us as we exist today...It doesn't take much experience as a Commando today to tell you how not uber we are...


There are many people fooled by the glitter of our Initial blast into thinking we've seen an improvement....not in the slightest...it's just pretty frosting to cover over the burnt cake...Damage Over Time is a huge deal to us Commandos because mainly our speed is very slowand our restrictions are high...Even if our initial blast did twice what it currently does, it would mean nothing if we miss our first chance to apply (due to our accuracy)...we rarely get a second chance to apply when fighting a ranged foe or someone with a KD ability...And with the way absorbtion works, our initial blast can be reduced enough to easy healing range...so the more damage we can do over time is what counter balances this...taking it down to just a 200pt burn rate is half of what a good stim can heal...not even really worth counting....


So if you have a complaint about Commandos, walk a mile in our boots...or...try applying a shread of strategy when facing one...if you don't then you have nothing to back up any of your claims...


Of course I know none of the nerf herders will actually do any of this...if they were smart enough to try this, they wouldn't be stupid enough to yell NERF in the first place...

Message Edited by garvin on 02-16-2004 10:01 AM



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

sjLeon
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:43 am
#2

You are Right commando is so buged just buy the new thing that makes it where your accuricy is 100% then throw a gernad lol ya its a 100% alright the gernade will hit you lol
Zito75
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:51 am
#3

Agreed.


I'm a 0/0/4/0 Commando, became a Master Rifleman yesterday...haven't touched my flamethrower since. I'm amazed how powerful and how much the professions WORKS...rifleman is what commandos should be, with the heavy weapons.





Zito Ipod - Radiant
Master Rifleman - Master Combat Medic
sjLeon
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:57 am
#4

Tell that to the ppl running thise game lol they will just laugh at you owell thats just how they are there stuberion.Just face it they hat commando's i wounder if they have commando's board on there ignore list lol
DVAS
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:33 am
#5

I think you should post this in other combat profession forums to tell them straight up. Hell half of the people who get killed by a cammando is either not paying attention or is stupid enough to go to combat with out armor. I think flame damage is the worst kind out there and it should be. If you look at it realistically if you get shot with a high power rifle or even with a pistol you eith die instantly or you suffer for a while until death. But with a flame thrower which attacks the whole body is the most distructive. And all this crap about tumbling and fire extugisher is crap. Im sorry but naplam will not be put out by any of these.
Tsunami87
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:39 am
#6

I'll post it...


Commando Blows -- thats from a Master






Tsu - Master Squad Leader

Cal-g
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:43 am
#7






DVAS wrote:
I think you should post this in other combat profession forums to tell them straight up. Hell half of the people who get killed by a cammando is either not paying attention or is stupid enough to go to combat with out armor. I think flame damage is the worst kind out there and it should be. If you look at it realistically if you get shot with a high power rifle or even with a pistol you eith die instantly or you suffer for a while until death. But with a flame thrower which attacks the whole body is the most distructive. And all this crap about tumbling and fire extugisher is crap. Im sorry but naplam will not be put out by any of these.






i whole heartedly agree with this



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garvin
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:53 am
#8

I'd actually ask that you don't post this in other Combat forums...We don't need the attention from cross forum spamming...BUT...if someone in another forum pops off about why commandos need to be NERF'd I wouldn't have a problem replying with the URL to this post and telling them to "Take The Challenge" to back up their big talk...if they can't or won't then they don't have a leg to stand on...now if only the Dev's would use that type of logic and base their changes off of acutal balanace issues and not just who whines more and loudest...



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Glyndo
Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:07 pm
#9

Wow....Kudo's to you Garvin. Honestly, I was a commando way back when, and have since moved on to smuggler and Bio-Engineer. But, of all the professions I've played, broke or not, commando was the most fun. Which brings me to the point, to anyone who wants to use the "Nerf Stick", let's quit crying nerf and get the "powers-that-be" to fix all of the professions first, then look at balancing (NOT nerfing) the classes. Should a commando do more initial damage than a pistoleer? YES. But you have to take all things into consideration, pistols and carbines are alot faster, heck, commando's are the only ones who's primary weapons at novice DON'T pierce armor. You (the nerf crowd) call for nerf's, I say give the commando a break. Just remember, it may be your favorite class that becomes the next one on the receiving end of the nerf stick.



Glyndo Malina, Retired Elder Smuggler
Married to the Hawtest Twi on Valcyn, Lunah
Alpha class make the pvp'r good it does not
DVAS
Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:36 pm
#10

oh and another thing why in the hell do we miss. It boogles my mind. Ok gives this a thought if you give a pistol or a rifle or even a carbine to a person and say to them in realistic terms hit that moving target with only 5 shots. Do you think that all five shots would hit? And then switch the gun with a flame thrower that has an area affect attack and then tell them to hit the target. Do you think the burst of naplam would hit the target or not?


I ask these question becasue i want to know who thought that cammando should have the worst accuracy. I mean a FLAME THROWER shouldnt need acc its a freaking area affect weapon.


Here's a FAQ on aiming a flame thrower.


1. Point


2. Spray


3. Then reapply rules one and two until you get you desire affect.


4. Then let cool for about a day.

DokkenFamir
Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:53 pm
#11

Its not ur damage its the friggin flame dot, and getting black barred/ constantly incapped from it= its no fair







Dokkenn Famir
Monk
In Servitude of the Rebellion
Guardian Of Shadow
Raanan
Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:02 pm
#12

Dokken, the flame dot doesn't do **edit** anymore. That was a pre patch issue which is no longer valid due to the amount of wounds recieved from the dot being directly proportional to the amount of damage the dot causes.


For those of you with no reading comprehension, this is how the wounding works:


lots of damage = lots of wounds


little damage = few wounds.


Since I have yet to see my own dot tick for more than 500 (pve not pvp) compared to the 1500 I got prepatch, the wounds are negligable.



On another note, where'd all these new guys come from and how did they get yellow names?





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Lifylos
Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:18 pm
#13

I think the yellow meaNS NEW MEMBER...


not sure...but anyways...


Did some PvP testing last night (might as well, only got 6 more days left in game)


My DoT...well let me show you my initial damage...


I rounded all of this for simpler math.


I did 12k with FlameSingle2.


75% PvP=3000


Light composite Armor=750


75% heat resists...=187.5


Thats only about 18.75 DoT every 7-10 seconds...if my math is correct...feel free to inform me if Im inccorect...



Seishenoru Verin...gone on Febuary 22, Cyas guys...

Dont mind me, just trolling on my last day...
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