Commando Archive
Thread: A Thought re: the Future of Commando...
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Daker-Naritus
Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:12 pm
#1
******[EDIT...Ok I have to withdrawthis, because it is based on a flawed assumption. I have been using several sets of Composite and Ubese from before the CU (some of which had some differing layer sets) and from my numbers, it APPEARED that Assault armor was better than other armors... After doing some research and checking what is not available on the market, I misunderstood the relationships between the armors, and that does not appear to be the case (as others have pointed out).
There is no reason to flame me, as I am still getting used to the system and was just posting some thoughts...
I think my question is still sound, but I need to rephrase it... stay tuned 
Message Edited by Daker-Naritus on 09-13-2005 10:00 AM
TK-132
Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:50 am
#2
Warmaker01 wrote:
I wouldn't say Assault Armor is the best in the game. All the armors have strengths for specific situations, but when blasters bolts are flying around all over the place, the last thing you want is Assault Armor.
Assault Armor is good for PVE against creatures and against Melee'ers. Against professions / weapons like Rifles and Carbines? Assault Armor is a liability.
Also, DPS means nothing. The various specials have inherent delays, that alone negates the value of DPS. It's just a nifty number for people to gawk at. Your DPS will already be thrown off by using specials like Placed Shot in comparison to something like Adv.Sniper Shot or Impr.Leg Shot.
What the devs NEED to do is bring Commando the characteristics they said themselves they would give us.
Commando
Primary Role: Heavy Weapon Specialist
Secondary Role: Medium Range Damage Specialist
Offense: Very Strong (5)
Defense: Moderate (3)
Crowd Control: Minimal (1)
I can give up some range, max being 50m.
The devs did us right in Defenses. We're okay as a Master Commando, though Assault Armor, like all the armor classes, has weaknesses in specific situations.
Crowd Control: We're actually a "3," IMO. I would be GLAD to give up Crowd Control and go to a "1."
Offense: This is where we suck at. Even Rifleman, the other "5" rated Offensive profession, suffers, though nowhere near as bad as Commando. Take away our Crowd Control. Pistoleer and Carbineer can do that, and do it better. Shorten our range to Medium, as per the CU document. We already have insanely high SAC to Heavy Weapons. Highest in all weapons, IIRC. Our attacks are usually the slowest of all the Ranged Professions in general. With all this in mind, the devs need to give us the Offensive Punch that we rate.
I agree 100%
Warmaker01
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:34 am
#4
It's cool. We're still wondering what the future of Commando holds.
The Jedi get fixes practically every patch. I said fixes, as in plural.
Commando counts itself with those few other professions that get no attention.
That alone is distressing.
The Jedi get fixes practically every patch. I said fixes, as in plural.
Commando counts itself with those few other professions that get no attention.
That alone is distressing.
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed."
Warmaker01
Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:10 pm
#5
I wouldn't say Assault Armor is the best in the game. All the armors have strengths for specific situations, but when blasters bolts are flying around all over the place, the last thing you want is Assault Armor.
Assault Armor is good for PVE against creatures and against Melee'ers. Against professions / weapons like Rifles and Carbines? Assault Armor is a liability.
Also, DPS means nothing. The various specials have inherent delays, that alone negates the value of DPS. It's just a nifty number for people to gawk at. Your DPS will already be thrown off by using specials like Placed Shot in comparison to something like Adv.Sniper Shot or Impr.Leg Shot.
What the devs NEED to do is bring Commando the characteristics they said themselves they would give us.
Commando
Primary Role: Heavy Weapon Specialist
Secondary Role: Medium Range Damage Specialist
Offense: Very Strong (5)
Defense: Moderate (3)
Crowd Control: Minimal (1)
I can give up some range, max being 50m.
The devs did us right in Defenses. We're okay as a Master Commando, though Assault Armor, like all the armor classes, has weaknesses in specific situations.
Crowd Control: We're actually a "3," IMO. I would be GLAD to give up Crowd Control and go to a "1."
Offense: This is where we suck at. Even Rifleman, the other "5" rated Offensive profession, suffers, though nowhere near as bad as Commando. Take away our Crowd Control. Pistoleer and Carbineer can do that, and do it better. Shorten our range to Medium, as per the CU document. We already have insanely high SAC to Heavy Weapons. Highest in all weapons, IIRC. Our attacks are usually the slowest of all the Ranged Professions in general. With all this in mind, the devs need to give us the Offensive Punch that we rate.
Assault Armor is good for PVE against creatures and against Melee'ers. Against professions / weapons like Rifles and Carbines? Assault Armor is a liability.
Also, DPS means nothing. The various specials have inherent delays, that alone negates the value of DPS. It's just a nifty number for people to gawk at. Your DPS will already be thrown off by using specials like Placed Shot in comparison to something like Adv.Sniper Shot or Impr.Leg Shot.
What the devs NEED to do is bring Commando the characteristics they said themselves they would give us.
Commando
Primary Role: Heavy Weapon Specialist
Secondary Role: Medium Range Damage Specialist
Offense: Very Strong (5)
Defense: Moderate (3)
Crowd Control: Minimal (1)
I can give up some range, max being 50m.
The devs did us right in Defenses. We're okay as a Master Commando, though Assault Armor, like all the armor classes, has weaknesses in specific situations.
Crowd Control: We're actually a "3," IMO. I would be GLAD to give up Crowd Control and go to a "1."
Offense: This is where we suck at. Even Rifleman, the other "5" rated Offensive profession, suffers, though nowhere near as bad as Commando. Take away our Crowd Control. Pistoleer and Carbineer can do that, and do it better. Shorten our range to Medium, as per the CU document. We already have insanely high SAC to Heavy Weapons. Highest in all weapons, IIRC. Our attacks are usually the slowest of all the Ranged Professions in general. With all this in mind, the devs need to give us the Offensive Punch that we rate.
Warmaker01
Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:34 pm
#6
StarNick wrote:
Oh we've gotten attention...
BUT
You could count the number of times Post-CU fixes we've gotten on a single hand with even three fingers missing from it.
Sure, but compare our rate and number of fixes to say... Jedi. Or even Bounty Hunters.
Warmaker01
Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:55 pm
#8
Ugh. I didn't catch it. My sense of humor has gone South more and more with SWG.
StarNick
Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:56 am
#9
Oh we've gotten attention...
BUT
You could count the number of times Post-CU fixes we've gotten on a single hand with even three fingers missing from it.
BUT
You could count the number of times Post-CU fixes we've gotten on a single hand with even three fingers missing from it.
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