Commando Archive

Thread: something that TH said that really upsets me

HanDual
Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:10 am
#1

Thunderheart wrote this, a little while backregard his infamous Master Commando vs. Master Commando evaluation regarding how commando fare in PVP (twomaster commandosstanding still point blank /flame2'ing each other) and us following through how the upcoming nerfs to the firedots will kill our profession.....


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=TestCenter&message.id=57313&page=1



"It also doesnt address fundamental considerations. It only addressess, "Im a Commando and I want to be invincible". As I pointed out in my original reply, those comparisons dont acknowledge the facts that the entire combat system is being rebalanced, that stacked defenses are being removed, and that short range combatants will always have combat advantages over "heavy weapons" specialists."


WHEN THE HELL DID ANY COMMANDO, ANYWHERE EVER SAID WE WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE IN PVP? The only thing that was wanted was to be able to fight back when fired upon. The vast majorities of commandos (save the flavor of the month commandos back in october) only want to be viable on PVP meaning that we dont' care if we loses, we just want to be able to hold our own if we use our profession to the best of our abilities. I can say this without any hesistation that 95% of my commando brethen are the most reasonable people in this game. We know what we are and are not capable of. That's what makes playing a commando so great, it's because of our versatility.


No commando EVER EVER wants to have a "win" button where they hit it, and they can win any battle. No, we want to use our skills and adjust accordingly to each battle to prevail. Any commando that tells you otherwise is just a flavor of the month template hopper.


Thunderheart, I am greatly disappoint that you can even write that. You said that you played a commando. But, did you used Dev's tool to become an instant Master Commando? If you grinded out the profession like we did you'd think otherwise than calling my fellow commandos whinny little babies that wants an insta-gib button, becuase that's exactly what you implied when you wrote that statement.


We do not want to be the be all end all profession, if the commandos wanted to be invincible, our forums would be empty as all of us commandos would go with the god template where no one can hit you. No we are still commandos because we love the profession, no matter how broke, how gimped it is.


it's dev's attitudes like yours that drove great players away from this game, players like garibardi and ivoni (i miss you guys). I know this sounds harsh and you will probably never read this but I really need to let you know how much disappointment i felt when i read what you wrote.


the commando profession's motto should be "semper fi" because we are always hopeful, always loyal hanging on to that last thread of hope that one day the dev's will remember that they put in the commando profession.


Namyr

TACO

Lowca

Master Commando/TKM
TheReborn
Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:59 am
#2

I agree, when TH answers our 10 Questions then we will know what the Devs are really thinking...



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StarNick
Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:36 am
#3

" know this sounds harsh and you will probably never read this but I really need to let you know how much disappointment i felt when i read what you wrote."


Harsh? HARSH? That didnt sound harsh at all. It sounded like TRUTH.


The fact that the devs WONT respond here because of negative posts, makes us EVEN more upset to MAKE negative posts, which covers their pathetic excuse and actually makes it fact. If theysay these arenegative posts...they haven't seen a real negative post ever...





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Xix13
Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:39 am
#4

I've seen you guys refer to the leaked post about the devs hating the commando profession. What I don't understand is WHY they hate the commando profession. I kinda like it, though like everybody else, I wish stuf worked a little better. I'm not even particularly peaved that I've gotta do some weapon-switching in various situations. I don't PvP, so one flame2 really does more damage than most of the stuf I solo can last thru anyway, and with doc buffs on a Trandoshan, well, survival isn't too difficult. It's fun to run to the aid of a comrade in distress and flame his oppressor to get him out of a jam. I wish my grenades went off occasionally. And I haven't tried the disposable weapons yet 'cause my favorite WS hates making them. But my crafter account will be able to make 'em someday, so I'll have fun playing with those too. It's a fun profession as far as I can see, and not terribly overwhelming unless you're a Master grouped with a bunch of noobs. When that happens, I just switch to my HAR and limit myself to only taking HALF the XP on a kill instead of 90%. :-) Or even my LP, if I really wanna limit my damage. Commando's fun, alone or in a group.

If they ever decide to arm vehicles and add anti-vehicle weapons, I hope they fall exclusively into the commando profession.

About the only thing I DON'T like about it is that completely useless skill point sink in the brawler tree. That's just plain unnecessary.



-- Xixor (FS Master Doc/Master Pistoleer -- CANCELLED) "I know what you're thinking: Why, oh why, didn't I take the BLUE pill?"
-- Xixasaurus (Padawanasaurus/Privateer) "Green is Good"
-- Xixette (12pt-Master Artisan/12pt-Master DE/12pt-Master WS) "Think Pink!"
-- Xixell (FS Master Pikeman/Master Swordsman/Rebel Pilot) -- "Anybody for some ants?"
-- Xixdoggie Dawg (Master Rifledogg/Master Ranger) "Woof"
-- XixTheFish (12-pt Master Chef)
GuyInShades
Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:26 pm
#5

For cripes sake we have to take a line in unarmed fighting so you might think in some crazy world we wouldn't be the whipping boys of melee fighters. That being said it doesn't even elaborate to melee, it could cover pistoleer to take it literally, a "short range combatant". Can that man, nay any SOE employee say anything about the commandoprofession without taking a swipe at us?
Hellshot
Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:35 pm
#6

I am not trying to be patronizing here, but its a dead horse, stop beating it. All the people in this forum know exactly what the devs think of the commando proffession, no point in wasting your energy harping on it. All it does is waste your time and get people riled up with no outlet.



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HanDual
Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:40 pm
#7

anyone else upset?
Raptor2k1
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:41 am
#8

"What I don't understand is WHY they hate the commando profession."


I think hate is a bit strong of a word, from what I can gather, it had more to do with the fact that we didn't fit into their current plans for combat professions, and that the development team really didn't know what to do with the profession. It's been a while since then, so things could have easily changed.




Kyeran Halkyon

Master Gunfighter and Demolitionist of the Old Republic Navy
SWG Commando Forum


bAss_ackwards
Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:09 am
#9



Wow HanDual, very concise and thoughtful. I agree with you the whole way. Anybody with the notion that we just want to be able to win every PvP situation needs to stop thinking that. Itsall about the challenge that we're after but with our current state we can't offer one without getting crushed.


To Thunderheart's credit though, he is helping things get done a lot faster. Lets just have more faith and bring in the good feedback and we will definitely see a fun profession in the near future.




Constructive criticism at its worst!
Xix13
Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:40 am
#10

Ah, good. I didn't realize the quote came from awile ago. I like playing my Trandoshan commando/scout a lot and hope too that they'll devise new and interesting support weapons for him, along with fixing some of the things that don't work. I'm saving all the heavy weapons speed and accuracy tapes and armour attachments in hopes they will work someday soon. :-)



-- Xixor (FS Master Doc/Master Pistoleer -- CANCELLED) "I know what you're thinking: Why, oh why, didn't I take the BLUE pill?"
-- Xixasaurus (Padawanasaurus/Privateer) "Green is Good"
-- Xixette (12pt-Master Artisan/12pt-Master DE/12pt-Master WS) "Think Pink!"
-- Xixell (FS Master Pikeman/Master Swordsman/Rebel Pilot) -- "Anybody for some ants?"
-- Xixdoggie Dawg (Master Rifledogg/Master Ranger) "Woof"
-- XixTheFish (12-pt Master Chef)
Zito75
Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:58 am
#11

Agreed 100%...the devs are so ignorant, they think we're lying when we say all these things? Why would we complain so much if we are soooo invincible?


Answer the 10 questions TH...





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Aztekious
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:33 pm
#12

/agree



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Bloodborn
Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:44 am
#13

People I seen scum off the butt of a carcass with more intelligence then anything TH ever said.


They are purposely knocking the soap out of our hands in the showers that way they can greese us up proper.


We were like gods in PvE I admit we were the second best. But I thought that was because we suck at PvP so I accepted it whole heartedly. Now we will suck at PvE. TH and the Devs are morons and we all need to petition Lucasarts about how bad the game is heading due to their incompetitance.


Lucasarts would have never stooped to this level of stupidity. Then again if it was really their baby the game would have been working before releaces not the half ass mess we saw last 8 months.....


It wouldn't been a big deal if they did this at the beginning I mean everything is new and things change but such DRASTIC changes this late into it's run ?????


The vast ignorance they are currently showing to PvP and our profession is like a black hole sucking up any thing intellegent one would say.



I am now simply KILLING time to WoW going gold then I am giving SOE a big 'ol /finger and I will NEVER go back to this crap. NOTHING can suck this **edit** bad.





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