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Thread: Why I really hate Jedi

Ryubushi
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:13 am
#1






Cpl_Fisher wrote:

was on a base raid, and caught a defender exploiting, everyone in my group saw the guy die, and then, 2 min later (No one else entered the base), the countdown ended. everyone in group saw him do it and we all filed tickets. I also called him on the forums, and so his jedi buddy (BigQed) 1 stared 6 pages of my post. took my forum average rating from 4 to 2. i ahde to get my roomate to go back and 5 star all those he one stared. still it's not back up to 4 yet.







Ima nice guy; I gave you a few 5s.


I hate Jedi because...



  • Most hologrinded, and 90% of all hologrinders I have ever met have no respect for the profession they're grinding through, or the people devoted to that profession.

  • /forcerun is really a pain in the ass. Have the decency to stand and fight, dammit. I'm a commando, I'm virtually harmless. Running from me is thusly pointless.

  • /avoidincapacitation. Never seen it done, only heard about it. The name itself pretty much tells me it's a cheese move.

  • "lol, i pwned j00!"(seriously...are most Jedi really 12 year olds in disguise?)

  • I see more Jedi than I do rangers, master commandos, master BHs, squad leaders,pikemen, and carbineers combined. That's just not right.


I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons I could hate Jedi, but I'd rather not look for them. What I've already listed is more than enough.







***Valcyn - Lt. Colonel Ryubushi [ONE] of the Empire (the Tank Maniac); Career Master Commando, Master Carbineer, and extremely Anti-NGE.
***Eclipse - Ryushidosha, freelancer; Scaley Master Carbineer, ranger, merc for hire, and general sociopath...that despises the NGE.
***StarSider - Ja'ahn Woo [PYRO] of the Alliance - The Galaxy's first Jawa commando/carbineer...who also hates the NGE.

People like me...because I force them to...with violence!

Fytos
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:38 am
#2

Doing my best to keep their population low, but i'm not that succesfull as you see



TFytosT
Free-lance, pistol wielding bounty hunter.
Ryubushi
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:50 am
#3

That's okay; when I get my tank, I plan on making a very substantial dent in their numbers.





***Valcyn - Lt. Colonel Ryubushi [ONE] of the Empire (the Tank Maniac); Career Master Commando, Master Carbineer, and extremely Anti-NGE.
***Eclipse - Ryushidosha, freelancer; Scaley Master Carbineer, ranger, merc for hire, and general sociopath...that despises the NGE.
***StarSider - Ja'ahn Woo [PYRO] of the Alliance - The Galaxy's first Jawa commando/carbineer...who also hates the NGE.

People like me...because I force them to...with violence!

Tlk
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:56 am
#4

Not to offend everyone, but why do you hate jedi again? The "exploit" may not have been an exploit. If it was a jedi that died, the master enhancers have a self rez power, also the hermit ring allows you to self rez. Could be also that someone logged a doc in or another character that was logged out in the base specifically for that purpose.


As for the comment about avoid incap, it is not very useful, costs alot of force (and ifa jedi needed to use it, then most likely they would not have the force to use it anyway). It is no different than using feigndeath or force of will.


The comment on jedi running, the reason alot use force run is to get the terrain negotiation, I personally take the scout line specifically to give me terrain negotiation on my non jedi characters.


Reason a commando should dislike fighting jedi: saberblock on flame throwers.


Also, I 5 starred you a bunch also, I hate anyone trolling the forums to go and 1 star people, that is just rude. But don't let a forum troll give you a distaste for jedi, most are reasonable adults.


garvin
Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:39 am
#5

I totally understand the hostility and you all have some good reasons to be upset, but let's be careful not to give into Jedi Bashing otherwise we will end up with Jedi coming into our Community to respond and it all ends in an ugly off topic flame war...


Not all Jedi play the ways that have been mentioned, so I wouldn't lump them altogether (it's asking for a cross community flame war). And Jedi ARE out of balance like some other professions and that balance WILL BE fixed in the Combat Upgrade...Remember that they were balanced in preperation for the CU (and before a Jedi player tells me how much they are hurting or under-balanced they are, notice I didn't say they were under or over-balanced...just that they are OUT of balance comparatively...something we can all agree on)...



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Ryubushi
Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:57 am
#6






Tlk wrote:

Not to offend everyone, but why do you hate jedi again? The "exploit" may not have been an exploit. If it was a jedi that died, the master enhancers have a self rez power, also the hermit ring allows you to self rez. Could be also that someone logged a doc in or another character that was logged out in the base specifically for that purpose.


As for the comment about avoid incap, it is not very useful, costs alot of force (and ifa jedi needed to use it, then most likely they would not have the force to use it anyway). It is no different than using feigndeath or force of will.


The comment on jedi running, the reason alot use force run is to get the terrain negotiation, I personally take the scout line specifically to give me terrain negotiation on my non jedi characters.


Reason a commando should dislike fighting jedi: saberblock on flame throwers.


Also, I 5 starred you a bunch also, I hate anyone trolling the forums to go and 1 star people, that is just rude. But don't let a forum troll give you a distaste for jedi, most are reasonable adults.








I take it you've never had your ass kicked by a Jedi using /forcerun to hit and run...


Maybe on your server they take it for terrain negotiation. Unfortunately, most Jedi I have encountered, have /forcerun just to they can use it as a cheap movie in pvp (complete with the "lolz, i pwned j00!" crap). I remember the devs reduced the effectiveness of /forcerun, but I'm too disgusted to go fight a Jedi and find out how much it was reduced.





***Valcyn - Lt. Colonel Ryubushi [ONE] of the Empire (the Tank Maniac); Career Master Commando, Master Carbineer, and extremely Anti-NGE.
***Eclipse - Ryushidosha, freelancer; Scaley Master Carbineer, ranger, merc for hire, and general sociopath...that despises the NGE.
***StarSider - Ja'ahn Woo [PYRO] of the Alliance - The Galaxy's first Jawa commando/carbineer...who also hates the NGE.

People like me...because I force them to...with violence!

TheNymon
Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:20 am
#7

I was a commando for some time. I enjoyed the profession regardless of it's wildly inaccurate flamethrowers, cross-over on weapons and a tree devoted to grenades. I am now a Padawan, have never used the words, 'lol I pwned you', I do play the game in constant fear of BHs - a few unfortunate spawns of NPCs and you're on the terminals, I don't wear robes or spark the saber up in towns. I did however spend 11 mths trying to obtain this character with reasonably constant grinding. Jedi Knight is probably 3-6 months away, with BHs and general death.


Knights are forced overt to PVP so you're going to see them, it's how they raise through the ranks. What we actually need are advancements beyond our professions, most combat professions aren't hard to grind, I did 7 before I touched profession grinding, whereas Jedi can take a year. If other professions had routes with XP like FS XP then it would be far more beneficial to the game as a whole and end the tireless hassle of Jedi, the newer Padawans had to work hard for it and are taking the brunt of the player bounties.


And I don't think the Launcher Pistol can be saber-blocked. Commando/Pistoleer is always an effective combination in PVE/PVP.



Saido
Force Extra-Sensitive Call Girl

Osadukah - Master Smuggler
- I support a family of cardboard cut-outs
Tlk
Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:36 am
#8


Force run 1 is the only force run that allows a jedi to stilla ttack as if he/she were certified, otherwise force run 2 and 3 both completely take away the offense (basically fighting with a bad cdef pistol).


Force run 1 is slightly slower than burst run, but I can see it being difficult to work with, but being commando as a ranged fighter, there really is little reason to care if the jedi is close or not. You can use your other skills to keep the jedi with in 40 m.


Jedi are not vulnerable to the launcher pistol, the best way to kill a jedi is melee or try grenades (they are unblockable), but melee is far superior.


Agree with the above poster, commando/pistoleer is an awesome combination, another good one is the BH pistol and LLC lines with commando. Throw in what ever smuggler you can, and you have a great blast, fire, acid, electricity fighter.



Garvin as always, you bring sound reason for us to listen too.



Message Edited by Tlk on 11-22-2004 12:38 PM

LuciusScipio
Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:43 am
#9



Well I give CPL_Fisher 5 stars cause I hate those 1 star bandits and I don't think he deserved it...andI have to agree with him in that I've seen many Jedi players act like 12 year olds...this does not mean that they're all like this of course...but some of these players are doing lots of damage to this game simply because their uberness combined with their rude behavior takes away from Star Wars immersion...I have a Jedi friend who is very mature and is really into role playing his profession...but I don't think he represents the majority of Jedi players...unfortunate.

Message Edited by LuciusScipio on 11-22-2004 12:51 PM



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Atilius Crydell

Rebel Colonel & Master Commando (Starsider)
Tlk
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:06 am
#10

CPL_Fischer is correct in criticizing those that abuse others in game, but it isn't just jedi, a year ago, they were CH, commandoes, pistoleers, smugglers, BHs. Everytime there is a change in balance, some immature idiots that get kicks off degrading people convert over and grief others. Personally, I report all of them as a harassment and let the csr scare them into acting more civilized.


Regardless, there will always be idiots in the game, we just need to know how to deal with them without degrading to there level.
RankorCity
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:13 am
#11






Ryubushi wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:

was on a base raid, and caught a defender exploiting, everyone in my group saw the guy die, and then, 2 min later (No one else entered the base), the countdown ended. everyone in group saw him do it and we all filed tickets. I also called him on the forums, and so his jedi buddy (BigQed) 1 stared 6 pages of my post. took my forum average rating from 4 to 2. i ahde to get my roomate to go back and 5 star all those he one stared. still it's not back up to 4 yet.







Ima nice guy; I gave you a few 5s.


I hate Jedi because...



  • Most hologrinded, and 90% of all hologrinders I have ever met have no respect for the profession they're grinding through, or the people devoted to that profession.

  • /forcerun is really a pain in the ass. Have the decency to stand and fight, dammit. I'm a commando, I'm virtually harmless. Running from me is thusly pointless.

  • /avoidincapacitation. Never seen it done, only heard about it. The name itself pretty much tells me it's a cheese move.

  • "lol, i pwned j00!"(seriously...are most Jedi really 12 year olds in disguise?)

  • I see more Jedi than I do rangers, master commandos, master BHs, squad leaders,pikemen, and carbineers combined. That's just not right.


I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons I could hate Jedi, but I'd rather not look for them. What I've already listed is more than enough.









Hmm...


I guess you hate me, then...


Even though...


I never hologrinded


Any player with aranged prof (which Jedi can become with saber throw) that stands toe to toe with a melee prof (which is essentially what Commando in its current form is) is a complete moron. So, you hate them for using an advantage (kiting melee?)


/avoidincap is no more cheesy than /feigndeath...It only work for 30 seconds, its not like it puts the player in permanent god mode. The self rez thing that enhancers can do was most likely what the player did (was he a Knight? If so, he is perma-overt, so no need to find a recruiter))


The pwnd joo comments...Have you ever played a Jedi? Everywhere I go, people spit on me (if I am wearing a robe/holding a saber)and they dont even know me. Everytime I log in, some thrill seeking grief boy BH is sending me a /tell wow you are really all over the terminals (as if there is MORE than one mission on me, it just kept popping up as he refreshed, the moron).....The pwned joo morons are most definately not limited to Jedi. I would say its fairly spread out.


So you see more Jedi than: Rangers (pretty much worthless); MCommandos (worthless and broken); MBH (absolutely NO point in the skill pt expendature); SL (broken); Pikemen (lousy defs, no good crafted weapons, have to have a 1 in a million loot weap to be competitive - dot hoors); carbineers (no defense, INSANE HAM costs on specials, limited weaponry)


Respect? For a profession in game? Give me a break. Some take a couple days. Some take a week. None are hard to master. You do the math.



I am done.




Anxiously awaiting the Firefly MMO
Discuss it at www.firefly-mmo.com
nerfherder321
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:52 am
#12

i hate jedi because....



  • They DEMAND respect, and if that is not met, they get angry

  • They think they are "the 1337 |-|4x0rs" especially the ebayers (steal my kills at fort tusken and called me a n00b AFTER i got the tusken kings life down)

  • running around with their lightsabers hanging out...disgusting

  • exploit like us, and complain when they get banned and call it "unfair" and "singling them out"

  • demand a fix IMMEDIATELY putting all the other professions on hold

  • Saying that a profession which is ment to take on jedi's shouldnt happen because we can kill them

  • think that they are so important, the devs should focus only on them

  • demand more content for them first

i dont speak for all of them, but that is what i usually see





Cheat Fetto
Ryubushi
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:59 am
#13






RankorCity wrote:





Ryubushi wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:

was on a base raid, and caught a defender exploiting, everyone in my group saw the guy die, and then, 2 min later (No one else entered the base), the countdown ended. everyone in group saw him do it and we all filed tickets. I also called him on the forums, and so his jedi buddy (BigQed) 1 stared 6 pages of my post. took my forum average rating from 4 to 2. i ahde to get my roomate to go back and 5 star all those he one stared. still it's not back up to 4 yet.







Ima nice guy; I gave you a few 5s.


I hate Jedi because...



  • Most hologrinded, and 90% of all hologrinders I have ever met have no respect for the profession they're grinding through, or the people devoted to that profession.

  • /forcerun is really a pain in the ass. Have the decency to stand and fight, dammit. I'm a commando, I'm virtually harmless. Running from me is thusly pointless.

  • /avoidincapacitation. Never seen it done, only heard about it. The name itself pretty much tells me it's a cheese move.

  • "lol, i pwned j00!"(seriously...are most Jedi really 12 year olds in disguise?)

  • I see more Jedi than I do rangers, master commandos, master BHs, squad leaders,pikemen, and carbineers combined. That's just not right.


I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons I could hate Jedi, but I'd rather not look for them. What I've already listed is more than enough.









Hmm...


I guess you hate me, then...


Even though...


I never hologrinded


Any player with aranged prof (which Jedi can become with saber throw) that stands toe to toe with a melee prof (which is essentially what Commando in its current form is) is a complete moron. So, you hate them for using an advantage (kiting melee?)


/avoidincap is no more cheesy than /feigndeath...It only work for 30 seconds, its not like it puts the player in permanent god mode. The self rez thing that enhancers can do was most likely what the player did (was he a Knight? If so, he is perma-overt, so no need to find a recruiter))


The pwnd joo comments...Have you ever played a Jedi? Everywhere I go, people spit on me (if I am wearing a robe/holding a saber)and they dont even know me. Everytime I log in, some thrill seeking grief boy BH is sending me a /tell wow you are really all over the terminals (as if there is MORE than one mission on me, it just kept popping up as he refreshed, the moron).....The pwned joo morons are most definately not limited to Jedi. I would say its fairly spread out.


So you see more Jedi than: Rangers (pretty much worthless); MCommandos (worthless and broken); MBH (absolutely NO point in the skill pt expendature); SL (broken); Pikemen (lousy defs, no good crafted weapons, have to have a 1 in a million loot weap to be competitive - dot hoors); carbineers (no defense, INSANE HAM costs on specials, limited weaponry)


Respect? For a profession in game? Give me a break. Some take a couple days. Some take a week. None are hard to master. You do the math.



I am done.






Look, I'm not trying to start a fight with you or anyone else here.


I am simply stating my experiences with Jedi.


Yes, feigndeath is also a cheap move; I don't have it, nor do I want it, simply because of that.


A Jedi Knight kiting a commando seems stupid to me; stand and fight. I mean, you can block my flamethrower, after all. Kill me in a straight fight, not using cheap hit and run tactics.


Their lack of respect for other professions bother me, but not nearly as much as their lack of respect for the people of said profession. It's disgusting how many I've seen trash talk players of other professions because we aren't them. It's disgusting how I've seen them say thing like "I was glad when I finished my grind for commando. They're lame as &^%!# and suck!"


In fact, I have only met one Jedi in-game who earned my respect, and he was Rebel at that.


He fought me honorably, straight up, no hit and run and no forcerun. Killed me, too.


And then he bowed to me.


No "i pwned j00" like so many others I've encountered. No laughing because I'm of a "lesser profession". That is someone that is a credit to the Jedi profession. He's the only one I've met yet.


On the other hand, every other Jedi I have encountered during gameplay strikes me as being an immature kid.


Yes, I know this behavior is not limited to Jedi, but most of these kids are migrating towards being Jedi just so they can "pwn" people.


You apparently have an alt that is commando, else you'd not be here. I don't want to start a fight within our community over this. There are just my experiences with Jedi; yours may be different, and I sincerely hope they are. However, what I've seen and dealt with is what has left me somewhat jaded about the game and the Jedi profession in general.









***Valcyn - Lt. Colonel Ryubushi [ONE] of the Empire (the Tank Maniac); Career Master Commando, Master Carbineer, and extremely Anti-NGE.
***Eclipse - Ryushidosha, freelancer; Scaley Master Carbineer, ranger, merc for hire, and general sociopath...that despises the NGE.
***StarSider - Ja'ahn Woo [PYRO] of the Alliance - The Galaxy's first Jawa commando/carbineer...who also hates the NGE.

People like me...because I force them to...with violence!

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