Commando Archive
Thread: Master Commando, First Time Poster...
I made Master Commando a couple days ago. I have solo'd 90% or more of my experince to get master and am the first master commando in my guild. I have figured out what tactics work and what tactics dont. I realize commandos are not the end all to the game. They are not the 'l33t' 1v1 solo duelers that everyone wants them to be. I think of Commando as more of a very powerful support class that will clean up anything that is put infront of his group pvp. They are not the front line fighter beacuse they have no denfensive skills in thier tree. (which is the only thing I see wrong with commandos)
I came to this board today to find some info on what is working for commandos now days. I cameto see if I was doing something right or could I be a better commando. I read about 20-30 posts rangeing from "What are you guys hunting now days?" to "You must read this!" (a rant post). All I have to say is you guys need to stop complaining and start playing the game. You may pay your $15.00 a month but complaining is not going to make youbetter.
First of all. Get a rock beetle and group him up, thats what I do. I can *group*, which is the keyword, with a novice medic and we can take down any # of monsters. Once I complete my template I could see me and a master combat medic or me and a master doctor takeing on very strong targets. I think commando is a very balanced class at the moment. Some buffs may come to the class later in the game once all the bugs and fixes have gone to the other classes.
I will not visit these boards any longer after I have seen what is posted here. This board is not helpful in any way to the commando class.The only thing that is helpful issome info on weapons and patch info.
This class has gone from broke, to joke, to working with a bug, to fixed bug with huge nerf.
These days I no longer hunt as I'm trying to do all the quests in game. But with this last patch I can no longer tank in my full composite armor with 71% kinetic resists.
Seriously, a dark blue kills me in 3 hits or less. A white in one hit.
Toss in the warping on top of you factor and it just blows.
Oh well. Hopefully they will fix us.
Being a one trick pony sucks.
I am not a whiner. I am a long time master commando who couldn't post here for the longest time due to some browser problems.
Everyone keeps saying tactics. That's fine for PvP, and frankly for humanoid PvE missions. I did a stormtrooper mission last night without too much more difficulty than before the patch. The stormies don't close to ranged anymore so I don't get beat down.
But if we want to talk about balance, then let's stop the CH's and Imps(with AT-ST's, and don't you DARE tell me it doesn't happen because I see it all the time on Endor),from farming Ewok or Nightsister missions at 25k a pop ok? Then, let's move the eyeshot to master and reduce the damage on mind poison. Then after that, we'll make it so a person with CDEF pistol can hand you your behind on a plate.
Then we'll be balanced. The 2.5X melee is too much. Why should I HAVE to get a pet? Should we suffer a penalty for using the flamethrower? Maybe. Should they fix the rest of the class before they whap us with the nerf bat? Absolutely.
We are NOT a support character. At least not with the requirements and the weapons we have.
I agree with you to some extent HydrAG. Sometimes I do feel there is too much "wishlisting" on the boards...though in part that is be expected...on occasion the posters sound like they'reentitled to tripod mounted, high rate of fire, uber guns or whatever else (and posting them in Holo's thread--which was SUPPOSED to be about the melee damage modifier--was very classy).
I also can see the argument in favor of having the 2.0 or 2.5 (depending on the source) damage modifier in melee for PvP purposes...not that I was very tough to kill before. Many Commandos disagree with the modifier in any context...and my opinion wavers...but so long as the Flame DoT remains as powerful as it is, there is at least the argument in favor of that.
For PvE though, it seems excessive. I have been taken out by crazed durnis since the modifier went in, and it's largely because they were doing 150-350 damage a hit, per bunny, and there were5 of them. I'm definitely not the sort who thinks we should be able to solo on Endor, I am more of the school that says no one should ever be able to solo a red con...that's why it's red. Given the relative power of the other combat classes though (as they can solo red cons regularly at Master level)and given that we spend so many skill points getting to our chosen profession, I wouldthink we would be more powerful than, say, a Novice Pistoleer.
I am also a Novice Pistoleer (nopt even Master) and I can say that unless I am prepared to use limited use heavy weapons at 1K in credits a shot (and up), I am more powerful in PvE with my FWG5 than I am with my Flamethrower.
Also, I really don't think people should need to have a pet available to run between Coronet and Tyrena. I use pets, but I have to respect the choice of those who don't want to fall into "pokèmon" mode. (In fact I thought this game would be "pokèmon", except that instead of pets, I thought we'd all have droids, how stupid was I back then?)
As for the complaining, I think we all need to admit that the class is far more survivable now than it was when the game was first released. Part of the problem is that we got used to having as much power as we had a week ago. If, back in the old "Beam Rifle/LP gives Pistol XP" days, they had changed our class into its current incarnation, we'd have been ecstatic at the changes. We still would have had critiques, but almost none of the vitriol.
Ivoni wrote:
I'm old school.
This class has gone from broke, to joke, to working with a bug, to fixed bug with huge nerf.
These days I no longer hunt as I'm trying to do all the quests in game. But with this last patch I can no longer tank in my full composite armor with 71% kinetic resists.
Seriously, a dark blue kills me in 3 hits or less. A white in one hit.
Toss in the warping on top of you factor and it just blows.
Oh well. Hopefully they will fix us.
Being a one trick pony sucks.
I'm not saying the 2.5 melee damage mod doesn't suck andyou can look at some of my older posts and see my opinion of pets. But I'm more of the line of thought of another poster above, if we had went straight fromthe CDEF Flamer/HAR/Cannonto our current state, there would be less bitching and moaning. I'm not happy the direction the devs took us in this latest patch, we provided an alternative to pet tanking. We were the frontline guys, IMO. A group would love to have a commando decked out in composite on money making ventures. We could dish out the damage, take the hits since that's all we needed our HAM for, and dispose of most of a mobs HAM quickly. I had folks asking me to lead them on Seething Bol missions so they could make some quick cash. I ended up looking like hell after a few hours of missions, but I tanked in place of a CH. Now we are back to CH tanking, something I've always hated but came to the realization that the devs must want it that way. If we have to have tanks I'd rather have a droid tank than a critter and a pc rather than a droid, but its just not happening anytime soon.
Like Ivoni above(who I do have respect for no matter how I may come off as) I hadn't hunted since I hit master. Other than to make a few bucks I wasn't doing missions. I signed up with a faction, got in a guild, did some PvP, did every theme park I could find or do-no rebel missions for me(still have Marauder and Nym's Bugged Ass Theme Park of Hell to do), tried to do every static I could find(still have tons to do but I got my Krayt Skull), walked from one side of a planet to the other(Endor would be groovy if not for all the **edit** teddy bear bbq's), and what did I find? We are one trick ponies. I have a flamer, woofrellinhoo. I've gone through three flamers since patch, my HAR has barely lost any condition and my LP is getting banged up in my back pack. I'm all for adding some diversity, but the constant crying and wishlisting isn't going todo anything other than make us hated. Look at the Bounty Hunters. They want medic skills, rifle skills, ranger tracking, BH only battle droids, and on and on. I have yet to see a wishlist from a bounty hunter show up on another professions board and not get laughed at. That kind of stuff leaves a bad taste in other people's mouths, and I fear that's where we are heading.
Yes I believe we're broken again, although some of us can remember it being worse. Yes I believe we shouldn't get 2.5 melee damage. Yes I abhore pet tanking( I do like pets though, hell I've been looking for a Kawakian Lizard Monkey for ages). But I'm rolling with the punches. Some day commandos will be fixed and be"working as intended." I may or may not be around for that, I can't tell. I enjoy being a commando, wanted to be one since beta but knew it was borked so put it off until the LP gave HWXP at least. Its the being lumped in with "leet uber killer bad ass mofo dudes" and the whining snot noses that I don't enjoy.
Eh... asI read over this I see how disjointed it is, but hell I can't think of a better way of putting it. Love the class, hate what the community has become.
Boards always seem to degenerate and sink to the lowest common denominator. Usually thats bugs and balance issues. This has been the same on every Mmorpg I have ever played. You just need to toss away about 80% of the material you read and learn to pick out the gems.
Commando's certainly have some issues right now. You will not convince me that the last patch was a well thought out adjustment. It smells more like something some overworked developer threw in as a knee jerk solution to an obvious problem.
Commando's still have great powers if they are grouped up and know how to avoid aggro. Our PvE powers remain strong although solo did get alot harder.A small non CH pet is almost a requirement for solo now.PvP took a large hit with this patch. We are pretty much a one trick pony now. Master commando's will become rare if the status quo does not change.
This game has huge balance issues. The developers keep massagingthings but it is obvious it will take months and months of additional timeto get a reasonable balance. Right now its 2 steps forward and one stepback with some of the goofy stuff they are implimenting. As much as we complain about commandos there are several other classes that are even worse off. The first decent release that follows SWG is going to lure a large chunk of the player base away. Many of the older veteran gamers have already moved on in disgust. I dont really get too excited about these things. Been there....done this before. Its just a waiting game now. SWG has had its chance and has been found wanting. Bring on the next offering.
I've done my fair share of complaining I admit. But reading more and more of this board I realize I haven't complainedat allcompared to some of these folks. Yeah I vented when the 2.5 melee mod went in, but I adapted and sold out and got a pet(only to make things easier in life since I wasn't going after anything I hadn't killed before).
I hit master right as the weapons got fixed and saw a steady decline in the quality of the community. You got folks complaining that a weapon isn't unequiped until its special timer runs out(its always been like that and it should remain so), people wanting KD or states on grenades, wanting terrain negotiation, etc. Just a constant "I wanna be uber leet killer dude" bull**edit** parade. I enjoyed it much more when we were a real joke, not the whining we are a joke, but when a CDEF Pistol could out damage a Flamer/HAR/Cannon and throwing a grenade was more HAM than damage. Sure I couldn't kill anything, but I could come to the boards and read and relate to other folks having the same issues and have a laugh-not have to read through "If we are now ranged our specials should go to 64m and not have a 15second refresh, and, and, and... " blah blah blah.
The old Commandos are gone or just not posting like they/we used to. I'm getting closer and closer to giving up my Commando since this board is how the community as a whole percieves us, and its a shameful, disgusting showing.
. I see the commando as a support class also. The commando is the guy who follows the front lines and takes out the vehicles and spreads mass damage but cannot really defend himself.I got Novice just before the big patch, yes it made it harder but i still can manage. Group up with a medic and another damage dealer to help share aggro ( a tank would be wonderful). Then i sit back and use my FP (no specials yet). when a mob comes in at me i switch to my LP (which does not seem to have the 2.5 modifier, will have to confirm) and finish the mob off. I can hold my own pretty well, you just have to use tactics and not take on a group or bigger mobs with out help (after all your not a god, your support damage).
I also have not posted here very often. Most of the posts do seem to be whining from people who want to be uber killers. I read the boards once and a while at work on break hoping to find the one poster who is posting hint's and how to's that might make me a better commando.
just my 2c