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Thread: so whats wrong with HAR

motarian
Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:26 am
#1

i just started commando and whent to buy my first flamethrower, and i saw that the HAR has the same damage as flamethrower. i hereeveryone who posts here say it is weak, is that because a lot of stuff has high reists or is it some bug?



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Azzoi
Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:30 am
#2

It almost the same as the FT but it has no DoT.



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Ster
Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:39 pm
#3


Its probably better Garvin got here before me. I have seen too many of these posts and might not have been so diplomatic about it.

Message Edited by Ster on 04-12-2004 01:40 PM



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motarian
Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:27 pm
#4

that definately cleared it up for me ty for the posts



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MarKthur
Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:22 am
#5

It's just a lesser damage clone of the FT, does not DOT, uses up a whole skill tree when it could be grouped with FT... and we dont like it because it's plain...UGLY.



Otilia
garvin
Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:46 am
#6






motarian wrote:

i just started commando and whent to buy my first flamethrower, and i saw that the HAR has the same damage as flamethrower. i hereeveryone who posts here say it is weak, is that because a lot of stuff has high reists or is it some bug?





There are many reasons that the HAR is just plain "wrong"...


Recently the HAR was "fixed". Prior to that fix none of the Skill mods associated with the HAR would stack. They also altered some of the animations.


But even with those "fixes", if you examine the idea of the HAR, the whole weapon is faulty from the start.



  1. The HAR does less damage (on average of about 100) at a slower speed (on average of about .5 to .7) then the FT.

  2. The HAR shares the same range restriction (16m)and time delay on it's specials as the FT does.

  3. The HAR has the same specials (but weaker)as the FT but no DoT

  4. The HAR has a higher HAM costs then the FT

  5. Many highlevel NPCs that have High Heat Resists also have same or similar High Acid Resists

  6. The HAR has no AP

So this is basically why we call the HAR a weaker clone of the FT...it does all the same things and suffers the same penalties, but with no DoT and at a Higher HAM cost...This all translates into a weapon that is rarely if ever used...The only time a Commando should use the HAR is when they face a target with very High Heat Resists, but very low Acid Resists (or a vunerability to Acid), and in everyday game play for the average Commando that doesn't happen very often.

Message Edited by garvin on 04-12-2004 01:47 PM



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