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Reydon
Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:27 pm
#1
What would Canderous Ordo be in the Galactic Civil War? I think rebel, because he helped the Republic, by helping your char in KOTOR.
Raptor2k1
Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:21 pm
#2
He'd be a neutral mercenary, just like he was in KOTOR. 
His sole loyalty was to the Mandalorian clans. He would only opt to aid a faction that beneffited him, or his clans as such. Imperial backing of the Mandalorians could have easily ensured his support. On the other hand, if the Empire chose to declare them outcasts and potentially dangerous, they might find themselves working for the Rebels at times... assuming they could adequately fund them.
Reydon
Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:28 pm
#3
Just one thing... Currently, the Empire occupies Mandalore... Canderous wouldn't like that...
Warmaker01
Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:28 pm
#5
I'm not too sure on the overall history of the Mandalorians, except through the KOTOR games.
I'm not even sure they even have a home planet.
Anyways, don't be so sure Canderous Ordo would love to join the Rebels and their ideals. If anything, he is ruthless and doesn't mind making a high body count for the sake of a high body count. Ideally, he's not what the Rebels want.
The Empire on the other hand: Heavy handed use of great, military power. Heavy, fancy hardware. More freedom to use your power to deal with your regional problems. Take no BS for correctness.
Canderous would fit in nicely.
His template? M.Commando/M.Rifleman/Carbineer
This allows him to use the biggest guns. Pistols? Canderous Ordo laughs at pistols. If he's not required to hold a weapon with both hands, it isn't a weapon.
Remember, Mandalorians like their weapons in 2 absolute ways: It must look bad***, and it must be overkill. Oversizedness is a 3rd option, depending on personal preference :fett;
I'm not even sure they even have a home planet.
Anyways, don't be so sure Canderous Ordo would love to join the Rebels and their ideals. If anything, he is ruthless and doesn't mind making a high body count for the sake of a high body count. Ideally, he's not what the Rebels want.
The Empire on the other hand: Heavy handed use of great, military power. Heavy, fancy hardware. More freedom to use your power to deal with your regional problems. Take no BS for correctness.
Canderous would fit in nicely.
His template? M.Commando/M.Rifleman/Carbineer
This allows him to use the biggest guns. Pistols? Canderous Ordo laughs at pistols. If he's not required to hold a weapon with both hands, it isn't a weapon.
Remember, Mandalorians like their weapons in 2 absolute ways: It must look bad***, and it must be overkill. Oversizedness is a 3rd option, depending on personal preference :fett;
Message Edited by Warmaker01 on 06-13-2005 10:28 PM
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed."
Reydon
Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:18 am
#6
I'll give a quick history. A bunch of humans, something like 15,000, crash landed a ship on a planet called Mandalore. With no technology, they broke into 5 tribes that had wars against eachother. Slowly, through natural selection, the strong survived, and they became stronger. They were an EVOLUTION to humans. The next stage. Then a race called the Juannar came to meet the Mandalorians. While it took them many years not to be so cynnical about the juannar, they helped eachother out. Together, the races built an empire of peace, but reached the peak of society. They could cure any disease, they specialized in making armor (mandalorian armor > all). But after a while, another race came and attacked them, not sure their name. So for 20 years, their peaceful planet was attacked by another race. Soon, the mandalorians defeated them, but that didnt last long. Another race fought them, and it lasted for 7000 years. The Mandalorians built 3 mega ships to defeat the enemies of their planet, think 2x the deathstar. One ship, however, hit the Juannar homeworld, and killed that entire race, by accident. A few juannar lived, but they ended up dieing out from interbreeding and all sorts of stuff. So, through 7000 years, the mandalorians fought, till one day they learned biological weaponry. They destroyed their enemy race with a biological weapon. Now after 7,000 years of war, you are not going to really love peace. So the Mandalorians began to love war. Thus, the Mandalorian Wars and such things.
"Anyways, don't be so sure Canderous Ordo would love to join the Rebels and their ideals. If anything, he is ruthless and doesn't mind making a high body count for the sake of a high body count. Ideally, he's not what the Rebels want."
He is a true Mandalorian, and he fights for his clan. Now, if you see that the Empire has occupied your home planet, you are going to want to help the Rebellion. Plus, Canderous always used evil to do good stuff in the end.
"The Empire on the other hand: Heavy handed use of great, military power. Heavy, fancy hardware. More freedom to use your power to deal with your regional problems. Take no BS for correctness."
Canderous wouldn't enjoy being on such a powerful side. Seeing the psychology of a Mandalorian, he wants challenges. He wants to have to try and take out an AT-ST with his bare hands. It just isn't as challenging to kill rebel troops as it is imperial.
"His template? M.Commando/M.Rifleman/Carbineer
This allows him to use the biggest guns. Pistols? Canderous Ordo laughs at pistols. If he's not required to hold a weapon with both hands, it isn't a weapon.
Remember, Mandalorians like their weapons in 2 absolute ways: It must look bad***, and it must be overkill. Oversizedness is a 3rd option, depending on personal preference 
"
Mandalorian Heavy Blasters? I don't think rifleman, because he charges into battle, he doesn't sit back prone. I would say Master Commando/Master Carbineer, and maybe get a little bit of BH in there (He did work for Davik). Mandalorians most important thing is their weapon. Youneed to understand, they dont strive just to make them look badass, because deathwatch uses DXR Carbines, and I dont like how they look personally. Mandalorians care about all oftheir weapons regardless. They know most guns have a specific purpose and battle. And they know how to use it. Also, I would like to point out that the Grapple Line, the Bracer Flamethrower, the Dart Gun, and the Wrist Blaster, and even the wrist knife, are all small weapons..
Message Edited by Reydon on 06-14-2005 07:26 AM
Warmaker01
Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:59 am
#7
Throughout the KOTOR games, most people only bother equipping Canderous with Rifles. Of course, in KOTOR, Rifles encompass many things. It included heavy repeaters, repeaters, carbines, and of course, the Mandalorian Assault Rifle.
Did anyone really bother wasting Canderous by equipping a puny pistol? Or waste valuable skill points for him on one-handed/pistol weaponry?
But again, is Mandalorian homeworld still around, especially after the Mandalorian Wars with the Old Republic? They never really mention that in KOTOR. And lastly, even with Canderous supposedly being "good" and fighting to free the Mandalorian homeworld (again, if it still existed) what difference would it have been if the Empire/Old Republic/or later, New Republic, existed and controlled that world? The New Republic would still be the same thing. Do you really think the Rebel Alliance/New Republic would allow a world to secede and gain independence & autonomy? Especially a group or race that had come close to destroying the Old Republic?
One last tidbit. Yes, the Jedi and the Old Republic utterly defeated the Mandalorians in the war, covered by other things including KOTOR I/II. But namely due to the Jedi. The Clans were crushed & scattered, Mandalore defeated.
But in a way, the Mandalorians do get the last laugh against the Old Republic and most of all, against the Jedi. After many, many years, Jango Fett is cloned into Boba Fett and of course the Clonetroopers. The Clonetroopers become the mainstay army of the Old Republic for the Clone Wars. But Jango Fett does get killed in AotC. Boba later goes down in ESB. [SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HADN'T SEEN EP.3] But it is also the Clonetroopers that carry out Order 66 when Palpatine sent the message out. Is is the Clonetroopers (or pilots) who turn and kill the Jedi. It is the Clonetroopers who were led by Anakin Skywalker as they marched into the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and MASSACRE the Jedi in their very home. The Clonetroopers are around to transition into the Stormtroopers and the conversion of the Old Republic into the Galactic Empire.
It was a long time in coming, but the Mandalorians get their revenge in an unusual way.
Did anyone really bother wasting Canderous by equipping a puny pistol? Or waste valuable skill points for him on one-handed/pistol weaponry?
But again, is Mandalorian homeworld still around, especially after the Mandalorian Wars with the Old Republic? They never really mention that in KOTOR. And lastly, even with Canderous supposedly being "good" and fighting to free the Mandalorian homeworld (again, if it still existed) what difference would it have been if the Empire/Old Republic/or later, New Republic, existed and controlled that world? The New Republic would still be the same thing. Do you really think the Rebel Alliance/New Republic would allow a world to secede and gain independence & autonomy? Especially a group or race that had come close to destroying the Old Republic?
One last tidbit. Yes, the Jedi and the Old Republic utterly defeated the Mandalorians in the war, covered by other things including KOTOR I/II. But namely due to the Jedi. The Clans were crushed & scattered, Mandalore defeated.
But in a way, the Mandalorians do get the last laugh against the Old Republic and most of all, against the Jedi. After many, many years, Jango Fett is cloned into Boba Fett and of course the Clonetroopers. The Clonetroopers become the mainstay army of the Old Republic for the Clone Wars. But Jango Fett does get killed in AotC. Boba later goes down in ESB. [SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HADN'T SEEN EP.3] But it is also the Clonetroopers that carry out Order 66 when Palpatine sent the message out. Is is the Clonetroopers (or pilots) who turn and kill the Jedi. It is the Clonetroopers who were led by Anakin Skywalker as they marched into the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and MASSACRE the Jedi in their very home. The Clonetroopers are around to transition into the Stormtroopers and the conversion of the Old Republic into the Galactic Empire.
It was a long time in coming, but the Mandalorians get their revenge in an unusual way.
Message Edited by Warmaker01 on 06-14-2005 05:01 AM
Reydon
Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:45 am
#8
I used Canderous with dual wield Mandalorian Heavy Blaster Pistols fully upgraded. And he owned.
"But again, is Mandalorian homeworld still around, especially after the Mandalorian Wars with the Old Republic? "
Duh, what else happened to it. Boba Fett returns there to try and rebuild stuff after everything is said and done.
"Do you really think the Rebel Alliance/New Republic would allow a world to secede and gain independence & autonomy? Especially a group or race that had come close to destroying the Old Republic?"
I bet Canderous would hope that would happen. Mandalorians love to fight, so they kill the Empire with the Rebellion, then kill the Rebellion if the rebellion tries to enslave them. They love war.
"One last tidbit. Yes, the Jedi and the Old Republic utterly defeated the Mandalorians in the war, covered by other things including KOTOR I/II. But namely due to the Jedi. The Clans were crushed & scattered, Mandalore defeated."
Utterly? No.Yes the jedi beat them, along with the republic army. But the mandalorians put up one hell of a fight, and they Loved it. They dont hate the jedi or the republic, they thank them for giving them a good fight (Canderous says this in I think KOTOR 1).
"But in a way, the Mandalorians do get the last laugh against the Old Republic and most of all, against the Jedi. After many, many years, Jango Fett is cloned into Boba Fett and of course the Clonetroopers. The Clonetroopers become the mainstay army of the Old Republic for the Clone Wars."
The clones are not Mandalorians, Boba is. Jango was never genetically a Mandalorian, but he was raised a mandalorian since birth. And he was raising Boba. The clones would be unstoppable if they were Mandalorians.
"The Clans were crushed & scattered, Mandalore defeated."
Then Reunited, then another Mandalore emerged.
"It was a long time in coming, but the Mandalorians get their revenge in an unusual way."
That isn't their goal. The Clones were not Mandalorians. The goal of Mandalorians is to fight, and to have war. That is what they love. They love to fight. They dont want revenge. Plus, even if they did, it backfired when the Empire occupied Mandalore. So it wasn't revenge, even in your situation.
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