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Thread: Proton !Rifle! ?
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Nakahs
Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:00 pm
#1
Hello all im thinking of going Commando / MBH since i was MBH / Pistol or Riflefor 2 years now...
I always wanted to become Commando but it looks like it will never be any good. However now i do it even its crap.
My question to u proffession vets is why is the Proton Rifle classified as a Rifle and not Heavy Weapon since it reqs Master Commando and has Heavy Wep mods on it? And do these Commando mods even work with that Weapon ?
Wouldnt be the 1st time SOE make some mistakes. When i go Commando i want be capped in all skills by tapes so this is a very important question for me to set my gear up and know what tapes i need.
I also hope there will be a Heavy Wep soon without AOE like the Proton Rifle that has a better sac and i cant understand why it is so that 100 is the craft cap for all Heavy Weps... even for rifle it is lower and they have same damage caps but with unique prof specials.
greetings a new commando soon
First Mandalorian on Infinity
StarNick
Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:06 pm
#2
My question to u proffession vets is why is the Proton Rifle classified as a Rifle and not Heavy Weapon since it reqs Master Commando and has Heavy Wep mods on it? And do these Commando mods even work with that Weapon ?
It's "classified" a rifle like our consumables as there is no unified heavy weapons category post-CU. Only converted ones (and new HW's) are rifles, and older heavy weapons that did not face a consumable to nonconsumable change, still remain as special heavy weapons...which prevents them from being power-upped.
Anyways, the Proton rifle is a full fledged Heavy Weapon, hence its speed and SAC are heavy weapon orientated, it takes HW mods, and it also doesn't work with AoE specials like all of our heavy weapons...
As for the SAC restrictions, yeah we have high SAC...it sucks. Originally it seemed that it was one of the restrictions for us because we would be a powerful damage dealer...not so anymore, but we're changing...and the role will be too. To exactly what? Well, a lot of things are being considered right now...and that's really all I know on the subject and why Helios_SOE is engaging the community. Hopefully this will get addressed, and our weapons will fit a destructive role again...
Nakahs
Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:21 pm
#3
Thank u Starnick that makes me even more want to become Commando now. I really hope the Devs dont stop half way by upgrading actually useless proffessions after working on the SL and Ranger Prof. Lets pray they refit all Profs that need itbefore a next useless expansion is being thrown out to milk us even more.
Im afraid the really needed things will only be addressed when they found that people become wise and stop buying these expansions before basics are done/fixed.
And about Proton Rifle is it the only Heavy Wep that doesnt do any AOE attacks or did u mean actually AOE doesnt work with AOE specials from other profs?
greetings
Kesslan
Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:55 am
#4
well there's a few proton rifles that still do AOE. But yeah for now the post patch (cant recall which one it was now 19 I think) rifles dont do aoe. Even though they state a 6m AOE. (The pre patch ones on the other hand DO. Used to have one till I nuked it to get my ADK back that the AOE worked on.) It's also the only commando weapon (that I can think of) with no innate state/dot. Every other weapon has KD, Or fire, or blind, or something like that. It also has no elemental damage. So beyond the range (65m) it's not really that great of a weapon. Anything within range I swtich to my PFT since that hits for elemental and fire dot.
Odinwaa
Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:55 pm
#5
I thought the proton rifle was a line of fire AoE, meaning that it "blows through" the target hitting targets behind. At least that is my experience while hunting if critters are behind the one I am attacking they will aggro me too.
Or am I just having a bad dream...
Or am I just having a bad dream...
StarNick
Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:23 pm
#6
Never seen that...the HPBC was intended to, but it seemed to have just crapped out at one point of its post-CU existance.
Maybe when AoE is working again? Should be interesting to see in regards to the HPBC...
But with the Proton Rifle, no...(also it doesnt have the AoE description in its box, anyways...)
Maybe when AoE is working again? Should be interesting to see in regards to the HPBC...
But with the Proton Rifle, no...(also it doesnt have the AoE description in its box, anyways...)
KODAKSTEVENS
Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:09 am
#7
StarNick wrote:
our weapons will fit a destructive role again...
that just makes me drool =P , fun big bangs and lots of destruction sounds good to me =P
StarNick
Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:40 am
#8
Stress hopefully...
And about Proton Rifle is it the only Heavy Wep that doesnt do any AOE attacks or did u mean actually AOE doesnt work with AOE specials from other profs?
Its both technically. Non-AoE Heavy Weapons do not produce an AoE when used with AoE specials (ie fanshot). AoE Heavy Weapons produce our own limited AoE with AoE specials. Its a lose-lose situation making specials that produce AoE really useless for us.
This, along with our issue of powerups are two things that Im hoping Helios could work his magic on, since they tie directly into our weapons and AoE.
And about Proton Rifle is it the only Heavy Wep that doesnt do any AOE attacks or did u mean actually AOE doesnt work with AOE specials from other profs?
Its both technically. Non-AoE Heavy Weapons do not produce an AoE when used with AoE specials (ie fanshot). AoE Heavy Weapons produce our own limited AoE with AoE specials. Its a lose-lose situation making specials that produce AoE really useless for us.
This, along with our issue of powerups are two things that Im hoping Helios could work his magic on, since they tie directly into our weapons and AoE.
Nakahs
Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:50 am
#9
Well yesterday i hit master now and 6h later i was also capped by mods with gen ranged acc / heavy wep acc / heavy wep speed / ranged def / heal eff / kd def / heavy wep def and some other stuff now i have to work through all the weapons and their efficiency they have.
Its really an adventure to do so since f.e. the fire dot of termal detonators i bought not work but shows a fire icon for a duration.
Another thing is i found PFT without AOE and bought it.
Already won a few fights against other Ranged Profs also Rifleman i was before... i love Commando it was my last hope for not end my subscription duing boreness.
One of the bestthing whyi love Commando next to thefunis the possibility of stacking COB with Duelist Stance. I shortened the time to apply both in a macro to 7-8sec.
Means i cant do dam or heal for this period but for 40 sec i have +500 defense then. I know its not very useful against Jedi cause of their closemin max dam Sabers but against someone with a normal weapon it rules like heaving Aura activated 
But i very much hope i will become again the damage dealer i was with MBH MRM. Actually its a hard fight to even shot more than 10 times without being at 0 on action and even then not doing more dam as a MRM.
greetings a new MCommando
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