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Thread: Flamer vs. Acid rifle

Aecak
Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:39 pm
#1
sorry if this has been covered already but im wondering what do other coms consider better? all i hear about is flamers flamers flamers, but ive not heard anything about the acid rifle can sombody give me feedback on both please?


nowhining and complainingplease just why you like or dislike each (nobody likes it when sombody goes on and on about somthing they hate)
Kraftomatic
Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:18 pm
#2
I was a master commando, I used a Speed Sliced flamethrower (3.1 seconds)and speed sliced heavy acid rifle (3.6 seconds)(since speed is everything, and when your weapons are that slow between specials, it just makes sense)


My Flame Single 2's have done 12,000 Damage

My Average Acid Single 2 was around 3,000-4,000 damage


In reality the acid rifle does about 1/2 or 1/3 less damage than the flamethrower does. I don't know if this is because the damage multipliers for acid rifle specials are really lower, or what. This is why most people use the flamethrower - it can be crafted with a lower unslicedspeed than the heavy acid rifle and does way more damage.


The only suitable situation for the Heavy Acid rifle is when a target has low resist to acid and very high or %100 resist to heat.
Raptor2k1
Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:08 pm
#3
The HAR is virtually useless. Even on high heat resistant targets, the DoT will end up causing greater overall damage most of the time... And a DX2 can outdamage the HAR.



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XyberViri
Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:34 pm
#4
I think there is one or two mobs in the entire universe that are 100% resistant to heat and not acid(hehe there are alot of them that are highly resistant to acid and almost no heat) in which case it would take longer to kill them with a dot than it would to kill them with a HAR, so it has uses for when you need to take pot shots at things or want to shoot fish in a barrel.


if they made it Heavy AP or Medium AP it would solve alot of issues with it.



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Raptor2k1
Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:26 pm
#5
The damage modifier on the specials being lower, the delay being higher, the insane HAM cost,and the lack of DoT also detract quite a bit (comparing it as is to the FT anyways... I'd rather see it as an actual rifle some day myself)



Kyeran Halkyon

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garvin
Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:41 am
#6




Aecak wrote:

sorry if this has been covered already but im wondering what do other coms consider better? all i hear about is flamers flamers flamers, but ive not heard anything about the acid rifle can sombody give me feedback on both please?


nowhining and complainingplease just why you like or dislike each (nobody likes it when sombody goes on and on about somthing they hate)




Much of this has already been said, but I just wanted to recap...


Problems with the HAR:



  • On average (non-special) it does around 100 less damage then the FT.

  • On average (non-special) the weapon is slower then the FT by around .7 in speed

  • The specials of the HAR are identical to the specials of the FT yet they are significantly weaker

  • The HAR has a significantly higher HAM cost then the FT

  • The HAR shares the same restrictions as the FT (range and delay on specials)

  • The HAR has no DoT on any of it's specials

  • Most high level NPC's with high Heat resists also have high Acid Resists

  • The HAR Tree costs more xp then the Flame Tree

  • Like the FT, the HAR has no AP

  • Can not use typical "Rifle" specials with this weapon

With all that being said, what you end up with is a weapon that is only really useful when fighting an opponent with High Heat resists but low Acid resists, which doesn't come up very often. Since that is strategically the only time to use the HAR, it definitely does not warrent it's own tree and does not deserve the higher xp cost. It's basically a weaker clone of the FT, sharing the same penalties, but not delivering as it should.


The HAR could be improves with AP andranged specials...And since it is a Rifle, it would be nice to be able to use rifle specials with this weapon. Basically, when it's all said and done, we focus on the Flame Thrower so much because SWG hasn't given us a good reason to focus on the HAR.


I hope that helps...




Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie
Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith
ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Aecak
Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:55 pm
#7
If there are so few uses for the acid rifle why does it have its own skill tree? now i know why everyone wants a new weapon thats rediculus! Thanks everyone for all your help now if sombody could tell me how to delete a thread?
garvin
Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:06 pm
#8




Aecak wrote:
If there are so few uses for the acid rifle why does it have its own skill tree? now i know why everyone wants a new weapon thats rediculus! Thanks everyone for all your help now if sombody could tell me how to delete a thread?




You really can't delete a thread (only the devs can) and I don't think this tread should be deleted...it brings up a valuable discussion for others with the same question as yours...


And you hit the nail on the head...None of us knows why HAR deserves it's own tree, especially a tree that costs more xp then the Flame tree...Most of us think the HAR and Flame tree should be merged into one tree and the extra tree be used for something like Unarmed Dirty Fighting...or an LP tree...or a new ranged weapon with ranged specials, etc...


It's one of our Top 5 issues...





Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie
Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith
ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

RazerWolf
Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:08 pm
#9

garvin wrote:

Aecak wrote:

It's one of our Top 5 issues...





I just realised how pretty much everything is one of our top 5 issues. I swear there's like a dozen in the top 5. 3-for-1 deals galore...



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