Commando Archive

Thread: Heavy weapons being single damage weapons

Drakeal
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:45 am
#1

hehe well the thing about gernades is.. it seems like the explosions dont hurt them.. it looks like your just hitting them right in the face with the grenade.. lol no explosion.. just using it as a rock.. lol


And i Agree with you on how we should damage all HAM bars.. thats what i assumed how it would be when i first decided to be a commando.. and yes. Insta kill weapons would be nice.. but they wont let us have those because it would be "unfair"


I disagree however.. Commando shouldnt stand a chance against jedi.. Remeber in Episode 2 when Jango shot his rocket at Obi wan.. and he put up that Force sheild thing, and the blow didnt even penetrate it? hehe.. they will probably have that to protect them from being cooked to death..



Commando should be the Master at Large scale fighting, but die in 1 v 1




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Drakeal - Commando, Maybe now i can kill a Womp Rat with this Useless paper we... i mean Flamethrower!

Commando for Life
MarkoFox
Tue Aug 19, 2003 4:08 am
#2

We ain't the Green Berets. We ain't Rambo or Marine Force Recon.


We're bazooka-boy,frag tossin'demolition men, orat least that'swe're supposed to be. Inferring from what was present during Beta, (and I still consider the current SWG "release" aBeta), we will see usefulness as the "Heavy Support" members of a group. High dmg per hit, slow recycle time, effective against large, slow, hard-hitting targets (listen up, you Rebels).


We will never be Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone. Dream.




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Ulfar Ragnarsson
Master Combat Medic, 3.1.3.3 Rifleman
The Risen, Holocron City, Dantooine, Tarquinas
Drakeal
Tue Aug 19, 2003 4:17 am
#3

i think you misinturpreted



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Drakeal - Commando, Maybe now i can kill a Womp Rat with this Useless paper we... i mean Flamethrower!

Commando for Life
nwargasm
Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:20 am
#4

That last part where you broke it up into paragraphs... do that more.




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nwargasm WHAMbulance :: Corbantis :: Imperial :: Master Commando
SaraBuckeye
Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:37 pm
#5

I have a commando and I know he is well under par..... I have some observations and some suggestions. The acid rest.( if you notice) is one of the hardest resistence in the game to get up and then only a few creatures have any saves against it at all....granted if you could use special attacks with this it would be nice and balanced but the inablility to use Headshot With a rifle but Not with the HAR is... well....confusioning. I can understand not allowing the flamethrowers special moves with other class but the Rocket pistol can use special pistol moves yet the HAR can't use rifle moves is broken. The flamthrower is and will never be an accurate weapon....nor does it have a speed.... it is a Point and nuke anything in front of you.....and pray to god you do not get hit in the tank. There should be No speed and the range on it is ok.....make it a FAST DOT...dealingX damage to ALLMobs within it's path up toY range but have it hit ever 2-3 secs.....just make it a weapon damage that hits ALL...friends and foes....that way it will not always be used....ever hear of friendly fire. The rocket launcher should have No range penelties at close range but close range for a rocket Launcher should be like 20 meters...not to mention one of the BIGGEST problems I have seen with ALL commando weapons is simple this...... THEY ARE ALL AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE.... A BULLET/LASER BLAST IS A SMALL SINGLE HIT...ENTERING AND EXITING IN A STRIGHT LINE......THERE IS NOTHING FREAKING STRIGHT AND SIMPLE ABOUT ANY HEAVY WEAPON....IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM DEAL LOW DAMAGE THAT IS FINE JUST MAKE THEM DEAL IT TO ALL 'HAM' BARS.....A GREADE THAT EXPLODES IN A 5 FOOT RADIUS IS NOT JUST GOING TO HIT HIS HEAD OR HIS PINKY...IT IS GOING TO RIP HIM A NEW ONE FROM HIS TOES TO HIS CHIN...YES IN SOME CASES HE MAY NOT HAVE HIS BALLS REMOVED FROM HIS BRAINS BUT ANY HEAVY WEAPON IS NOT GOING TO JUST AFFECT ONE AREA MOSTLY....WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MINES...IN WHICH CASE SOME ARE DESGINED FOR SPECFIC AREAS. A sniper aims for the head, pistolier the body and a carbiner for the legs.....what the hell is a commando aiming at.... THE GENERAL AREA THAT GUY I WANT TO BLOW THE F*&* UP IS NEAR..... if I miss by an inch or two I still Kill him from the area of impact- explosions make holes.....the rocket pistol fires 4 small rockets out but they all hit one area or none? I understand not allowing quick reuse times or even giving us long range weapons but you need to either make our weapons ONE HIT ONE KILL( even the min. damage should OVERKILL a normal person) or make them an AOE KILL but with a long reuse time. I hit you in the head with a freaking rocket and you act like it was acar hitting a bug on the window thenI will turn tail and RUNNNNNN...... If I see someone take a grenade in the chest and keep coming I am going to RUNNNNN.... if someone walks thru a wall of fire and Feels all warm all overthen I am going to RUNNNN... how many poeple do you see take a rocket, a grenade and keep coming.....very few and not the majoaity. These weapons Should have a HIGH delay and a HIGH special moves reuse time... they should Be fatal IF they hit but when they miss it should hurt us( not meaning we always miss and MAKE IT RARE), but they SHOULD be an INSTANT Death..Not incapacitate but DEATH weapon that affects a LARGE area not just Your creature handlespet that wascrawling up your butt but ALL 3 of your pets, and the other 3 party members 10 feet behind you..... HEAVY WEAPONS ARE NOT ACCURATE, THEY ARE NOT PRECISION INSTRUMENTS AND THEY ARE NOT QUICK....THEY ARE LARGE, BULKY, SLOW, WAYYY OFFTARGET AND EXPENSIVE TO USE...BUT WHAT THEY ARE ARE OVERKILL WEAPONS OF MINI MASS DESTRUCTION...YA AINT GOT TO HIM THEM JUST GET CLOSE( not get close and miss).... I laugh when I throw a grenade..it misses them and lands on top of thier head...I laugh when I use a flamethrower and see a ball of flame MISS the FREAKING SIDE OF THE BARN WHEN I FIRE IT FROM INSIDE IT AT POINTBLANK RANGE.... I do not know you but a Commando would/should be the most feared chracter in the game... almost on par with a Jedi.


1) A doctor can heal players but what good is healing half the body of someone when there head is here, there legs over there, there arms up in the tree and there guts all over the 5 guys behind him after a rocket blew him the F*(* UP.


2) A jedi is/should/and I hope they are insane up close and persnoal and from a distance but I swear the first time I see them parry a Big ole blob of LIQUID acid and a Firey Inferanl ball of flame( that includes the Wall of flame) and I will quit out and leave starwars forever! I can see them parrying and returning fire on a laser blast..I can even seeing them use thier mind on moving a grenade out of the way...maybe...MAYBE even a rocket but liquids and flames.....You have to draw the line somewhere.


3) YOU said that Commandos will be the ONLY class able to take out a at-at/at-st in the game....how can we do that if we can't take out the dwarf nuna that is half dead? Especial in times of war noone is more feared then a soldier with a heavy weapon....bullets bounce of tanks, knifes might sratch the paint but that rocket launcher is what hurts....I am sure a tank commander will shoot the medic to prevent healing while 6 commandos with Rockets was blowing him apart....


4) COMMANDOS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST...I am sure that the navy seals, recon, green berets, and all the other special service froces members like being considered the best of the best... but hey..I guess I was wrong.



If you want to make the weapons slow, expensive, rare and Long time delay special moves then make them like they are and should be....INSTANT KILL AREA EDDECT WEAPONS. Not little pop guns that NO COMBAT orrienated class can Kill me..... I had the biggest insult tonight when a NOVICE MARKSMEN WITH NO SKILLS was able to outdamage me USING A CDEF rifle.....TWICE.....**edit**.....Some special class I am..An elite.. Some elite...that now explains why the empieror had those guys in red suits using lances I guess......




I would be a disgrunted Commando but who is going to bescared of us?????

MarkoFox
Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:26 pm
#6

My post was in response to this:


"4) COMMANDOS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST...I am sure that the navy seals, recon, green berets, and all the other special service froces members like being considered the best of the best... but hey..I guess I was wrong."




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Ulfar Ragnarsson
Master Combat Medic, 3.1.3.3 Rifleman
The Risen, Holocron City, Dantooine, Tarquinas
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