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Thread: Commandoes and players with tef

DKPits
Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:56 am
#1

First off im not crying nerf - i would like to know HOW is someone suppose to even defend them selves against a commando he just killed - that comes back NOT attackable and walks up to you and hits you with his flame attack can someone enlighten me please - i love the commando class i myself am not one but i do kill alot of them (and yes after the weapon nerf)


Let me tell you what has happen more than 7 times sence the patch -


i was in front of the starport in bestine overt as alway and i seen an overt rebel get off of the shuttle so i waited outside till i seen his avatar move when he moved into the ticket hall i attacked but not before i craped my virtrual skibbie at the sight of MASTER COMMANDO OVER HIS HEAD - not a big deal if i die so what im cloned there in bestine well after he fained death (which through me for a loop) and i dbed him i went to the medcenter to heal my wounds i had just resived - i new he would come back to fight because he was comming to try to solo raid bestine - which will never happen if im online - well i couldnt tell who he was because so many people were coming in and out of the medcenter so when he came around the corner i knew then what his plan was - and he said to me - I DONT NORMALY DO THIS BUT - then hit me i had a 50% res to heat with the armor i was wearing and it did nothing to stop the 3k ham dmg i resived -


CAN SOMEONE PLZ TELL ME HOW WE ARE SUPPOSE TO DEFEND OUR SELVES JUST AFTER WORKING OUR BUTS OFF TO KILL SAID COMMANDO IN THE FIRST PLACE JUST TO HAVE HIM COME BACK UNTARGETABLE AND UNABLE TO DEFEND OUR SELVES?


i dont want to see the commando nerfed i just want a REALISTIC answer to the question and how this can be stoped from happening


thanx to all you commandos you have mad my PvP life way more interesting hehe good luck out there and try not to solo so many red mobs that the devs were complaing people were doing. now not all classes just one can woot





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RoakyLamu
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:09 am
#2

Stop being silly, this is the same for any proffession. Due to the games design TEF tag is a part of pvp.


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DKPits
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:13 am
#3

how can you say thats silly when the commando is the only profetion with a weapon that is a one shot kill no matter what the armor -


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Theedage
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:14 am
#4

He's talking about revenge tef's which are pure bs. We complained about them in beta and we're still complaining now.



They serve NO purpose other then to piss someone off. You kill a person fair and square they run out of the cloning facility and get a first strike on you then their entire group gets to join in. I really enjoy the tef system, however ALL tef's need to be cleared upon death.


I'm getting sick of seeing rebels on my server constantly doing this - they repeatedly get owned, they just annoy.




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warlockiii
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:31 am
#5

I saw 2 commandos kill an AT-ST last night. They'd clone and run out and re-attack the AT-ST.


Of course I'd yell "Don't DB the rebels", but, of course, some idiots wouldn't listen. So they'd come running out of the clone center and re-attack the AT-ST. There should be some kind of down time after dying in PVP, and the revenge TEF should be removed.


I have no problem with AT-ST's getting beaten in a real fight, but this was ridiculuous.


Oh and btw, it seems odd to me that you can catch an object made of metal on fire. AT-ST's should be immune to fire like bleed. Ihave no problem withthem beingmade vulnerable to blast damage.

DKPits
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:44 am
#6

the revenge tef is a bane to all classes even the commando i guess because they are effected just the same as we are in that catagory - It needs to be fixed and fast because now the PVP aspect is even more bugged than it was before the commandos were fixed -


for the commando profetion spokes person - please tell us what can be done about this or even if it is even being looked into i would greatly appritiate it


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MrCreed
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:47 am
#7

The only thing I can think of is after you reclone is a question popping up asking if you want revenge, if you answer yes then you will be red to your attacker and he'll be red to you. If you answer no, then you both will be blue. This would prevent camping because if you recloned and find it camped you simply chose no revenge. Also make it so you cant move until you answer the question to prevent exploits.



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DKPits
Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:56 am
#8

You Evel are a genuis that is the best idea ive herd yet - that would make the game much more enjoyable - i have no problem facing anyone if know they are comming but come on i just KILLED as in dead no more asta la vista baby pushing up dazies 6 feet under so on and so forth if you are going to want revenge then make it so there is an option - Again you are genuis Evel my hats off to you


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-Krillin-
Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:11 am
#9

This is a problem with the system rather than the class. The revenge thing is just retarded, and the problem is amplified many times by players that can deal big damage in single shots. My advice is to find a spot with lots of overts and warn them of the problem. The SPREAD OUT or you'll be wasted by the AoE.


Also, if you see this coming unequip your rifle (if you use that). If you're equipped with a rifle you get 2.5x dmg due to a bug with the system considering the heavy weps (LLC included) as melee. None of us think that's fair, but there's nothing we can do about it atm.




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InquisitorPayne
Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:24 am
#10

DKpits:


Your request was reasonable as well as brought in a formal anf polite tone. Thereby you deserve a corect answer to your request:



If said commando come and you know what his intend is: Unequip your RIFLE, wait for him to initialise his attack (wjich has to be a special to dea,l this amount of damage), reequip your rifle and headshot him with headshot 3 or deal a nice little flushing shot 2. Flurry shot 2 is nice as well, but basically one or two Headtshot 3 hits do the trick. And you will be able to execute these attacks fater than a commando can deal 2 hits. The commando will be down, before the first special move is erased from the combad queue.


I am working to gether with a lot of riflemen and i honestly believe there has to be done something aboutn the melee bug of the commando wepons, but they are far from invincible, nor are they gods.


I hope my advise helps a little.


Good hunting,


Dogg





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InquisitorPayne
Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:26 am
#11

ooops, Krillin was faster than me




Dogg M'ordae-Pitibi
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DKPits
Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:37 am
#12

Dogg:


Thank you for the information - It is a huge help and if you were on intrepid server id tip you 50k for it lol


again thanks for the help.


I know it isnt the commando profetion - thats why im not complaining about commandos i think that the revenge tef and the commando profetion is becoming an exploit - it has nothing to do with nerfing the commando but doing something about the revenge tef - and who better to get an opinion on than the commandos - even though some of them love the revenge tef - i think it is something that needs to be adressed and it will take the profetion that is capable of doing the one shot kills with the revenge tef - To help get the matter resolved - thank you for your time and understanding


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Mister_Heavy
Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:39 am
#13


Good lord.


I'm not sure how many times we're going to have to say this.


Any master of an elite combat profession can kill you with little or no trouble with the TEF snafu. As a TKA, if I get my hands on you with first strike, you are done unless you have really amazing armor. A rifleman with a damage sliced, powered up T21 and headshot 3 can do almost as much damage as a rocket launcher (and with AP3 as well). Carbineers do some of the sickest damage over time I've ever seen with their highest-end weapons. Etc. Etc. Etc.


The problem here is the revenge TEF, not the commando. Learn to make the distinction.




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