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Thread: HWS 200 shots

StarNick
Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:19 am
#1

First: get a spellcheck!!!


Second: Hvy weapons, in my commando philosophy are not ANti-Personal, they're anti-vechs..but its still pointless having them with almost no vechs..


the LP is more of a hybrid..


the FT/HAR is the true anti-personal, with HAR leaning more towards armor wearers or light vechs..and should be given light AP..same with the LP




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StarNick
Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:20 am
#2

but i do support the 200 charges, make em like before!



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maddogs
Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:35 am
#3

no you are right the RL and the PBC arnt anti person wep but there defintly not powerfull enogh to be anti vehcel ithere


but the ASL and the LC are anti person weps and they really suck !!!!!


really i whent dam rased more then charges but both would be haven ^ ^




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StarNick
Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:38 am
#4

accuracy plays a key role in RL's and HPBCs tho..


..is it easier to hit a lumbering AT-ST than it is to hit a small fast moving target? remember the weapons are slow and very inaccurate at improper ranges...


the acid streamer and the LC i can see more anti-personal, yes you're right here..but in general they're weak anyways :/


of course many will wonder..what about fast moving vechs? will vech battles be doomed to going slow and taking pot shots at one another because of this?




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Ivoni
Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:58 am
#5

They healed their mind by eating the food that gives an insta buff for 650 mind.

I forget the name of it, check the chef forum.

There are two problems here.

One you ran across a prepared PvP group. Not only did they have on armor they also used tactics. They were obviously buffed and ready to PvP. Toss in the fact that Commando is a weak PvP class unless 16m or closer and you won't stand a chance.

Second problem is the fact that only 2 of our HWS are AP3. Toss in the fact that if they have a vulnerability in their armor to said damage you are using, you receive NO AP bonuses. Also toss in the radius damage of only 6m and you are quite unlikely to hit more than one.

I'm all fine with not having the greatest accuracy with the Heavy Weapons, but the current problems with our range modifiers is frustrating. Kneeling is more accurate than prone?

Also, take a look at the RL. It's accuracies obviously indicate you should be at 64m or pay a penalty. But NONE of any of our other weapons indicate where you should be or make any sense.

Anyway I'm glad people are seeing my point. In PvP at ideal ranges with no armor, kneeling, and not moving I still missed like mad with ALL of our weapons. Go check my gods of PvP post. I can accept low charges if we don't miss 2 out of 5. But we do and as it stands, they are overpriced junk.



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tacwraith
Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:01 am
#6

ivoni, the radius damage in heavy weapons is broken. they now only damage the target you shoot it at.




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Theedage
Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:59 am
#7

Don't mock maddogs for his spelling! It's his trademark, we love it



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maddogs
Sat Nov 08, 2003 1:46 pm
#8

ivoni has ben say for a long time that he whants the RL and the HPBC + all the othere HW chaerges put up this is some thing that i have not agreed with but now i do heres why


to day in pvp there was 4 imps doing the clone war group tef so i disided i had had enogh i cant cech them to burn them with my flamer without useing gruop tef becous they esly spam thees 1 hit kills from 64m away evry 1 sec fiery knock down being abel to do 650+ dam in one hit to some one wareing 80% comp armor and a 25% psg vers acid then being abel to do it agen in one sec is just not right i tell ya


so i pull out my pbc i have 2 packes of them on me and 1 RL on me with one ASL


i use up all of one PBC and saprizingly 85% hit (amagen that lol ) but i dint incap a singel person useing them onec i hit they heal im hiting around 800 dam but they have 950 life so they just heal i dint get a singel kill out of a full bran new 30 shot 3230 max dam wep


i pull out my seconed one im really peed by this time i meen mad but same thing agen not a singel killout of useing them i hit the mind pool once but it seem like he heald it (dont ask me one sec he had 50 mind left next 990 and it wasint spice becous he was at max mind )


ok im just so mad now i dont care how much mony i go threw so i pull out my RL and used evry last shot but nothing not a singel incap most of them missed and yes i was at ideal rang most of the time


i pull out the only hw i have left the ASL i start useing it then realizd i my well be using the flamer i have to get just as clouse to use this


so i swhic back to the flamer and now i get kills im doing more dam and puting a dot on them and actuly ganing back my fp (note im useing group tef i walk up to them and kd them then burn and they cant attack me to i fire i know i know this is cheap as hell but it worked i got them all to run with the help of my group )



now my point is that are flamer dose more dam less costly and puts a dot on them vrs thees hws that cost high ham and dont do hardly and dam wich meens 1 thing


the HWS ARE JUNK!!!!!


they ithere need to have more dam or 200 shots for them to be even worth useing !!!




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Daniel' Judson-Leonheart

maddogs
Sun Nov 09, 2003 1:14 am
#9

lol thx theedage(tho im not happy about my bad gramer and spelling im happy to see some one is for me )


and as for the smaller vehicels moveing faster i would hope they be considerd persons so we can use are anti-person weps on them


this is what i think must hapen to fix this


(HEAVY WEAPONS)


take the -119 rang mods of the hwps and make -19@ 64m/+50 @ IDEAL RANG/-100 @ 0m ecpt the ASL wich should be +30 @ 0m and -100 @ 64m


make all hw have atlest150 charges or make them do alot more dam are flame thrower can esly out dam them!!!!!


make the radious of the hws 16m(hey if melee can reach 16m then a explosion should reach atlest that) and for the rocket launcher 25m


make the HPBC and the RL have + ac and +1.5x dam vers big mobs -ac vers small mobs


make the ASL and the LC have + ac and +1.5x dam vers small mob -1.5 dam vers big mobs


The LC needs more dam the LLC dose more dam then it dose


Lower HAMs (heinously high)


make ALL have AP3





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make the HPBC and the RL have + ac and +1.5x dam vers big mobs -ac vers small mobs


make the ASL and the LC have + ac and +1.5x dam vers small mob -1.5 dam vers big mobs


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this is what is really needed to its a must




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Daniel' Judson-Leonheart

Farina
Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:37 am
#10

Period.



Heavy Weapon Line is not use to against Imperial. They are use for friendly duel with Rebel.



period.



SIGH.


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Crix1337
Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:36 am
#11

the best HPBCs are the ones with +100 accuracy at ideal range



tradeoff: you lose ~500 max dmg?



most weaponsmiths just max out dmg/speed and dont care about accuacy/HAM costs =[




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crimrOw
Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:49 am
#12


Theedage wrote:
Don't mock maddogs for his spelling! It's his trademark, we love it




heh, its almost impossible to read much less understand. although he does have a point, once you decipher it all



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