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Thread: Most Powerful Heavy Weapon...
The T21 is nice...until/unless you can close on the rifleman. To "decimate whole armies" with it, he'd have to have a pretty good screening force with him. I was with 2 riflemen with T21s doing Big Bird (Albatross). They had more than a bit of trouble with its warping and area mind attack. That's when they called for us cannon fodder to get in close with Big Bird and die so they could get in a few mind bleeds. ("Use your HAR! It's vulnerable to acid!" pre-Pub 7 lol!!) Almost every weapon has its drawbacks if you can find and exploit them (oh, bad word...I mean exploit in its usual meaning: take advantage of).
Oh, and my PBCs do 2008-3200+ damage at 5.6 speed, base stats. They even hit ocassionally. Can't wait until we can use those bad boys indoors!
*ahem* when taking into account the most powerful, you must weight the Delay, the Economical side, the Specials, the ham costs, the accuracy, and the damage/spd
To the two posters who posted stats on an HPBC and RL, tho those are pretty nice stats on them...nearly all the elite prof weapons, and some non-elite weapons will ALMOST ALWAYS outdamage them..why?
Look at the spd/accuracy...they are marksman level practically....you may think this is because of its high damage...well thats not any better....
most hvy weapons are spd 5+, and generally the faster it is..the less powerful it is..the disposable's true weakness lacks in spd considerably..but same with accuracy...most of the disposables you MISS half the time..and coupled with slow delay + high ham costs, you may be doing more damage to yourself than the enemy...ive never seen an RL hit for more than 6k...many times that takes 2-3 shots, take off a few hundred ham, factor in nearly TWENTY seconds (if you take 3 shots, and lets say the RL is around 6-7 spd)...thats approx 300 dps
meanwhile, with my LP @ MM spd/accuracy and with stopping shot i can do around 1-2k every 1.3 seconds...thats over about 3 times higher..coming from a pistol using MM mods w/ pistol techniques III
So for the time being...the disposables really are the WORST hvy weapons, but ironically make up the bulk of it (also thru an economic viewpoint, they offer virtually no advantage cept AP, and Rl..blast dmg w/ Hvy AP yet cost more than a standard launcher Pistol which can do more damage in less time regardless of Ap)
and enough of my blabbering..but just wanted to make a point that the Disposable hvy weapons, REGARDLESS of stats are really NOT a good choice for best hvy weapon...that RL that has 5.6k max dmg...it'll prolly hit for around 6-7k with hvy Ap, but thats ONLY if you get the max dmg..many times you can get meager 2-4k hits for same delay, same ham costs or miss a good half of the time and get killed trying to do high damage..there is simply NO point in having a hvy weapon that has high damage but either sometimes doesnt live up to its "hvy status" or just out right misses...leaving you the dead gamer
and i do agree with the original poster, im lvling rifleman on my alt..and the T-21 is truly a powerful weapon...and also..i remember a while ago the rifleman corrspd. called for a vote of what their role would be...the two choices were either Sniper or Gunner...Gunners..generally..mean commandos..or hvy weapons specs right? Take C&C Renegade..the GDI commando named "Gunner" had a rocket launcher!...soooo he was both a commando and a hvy weapon...stupid example, i know.
But still...a version of the T-21 would be PERFECT for commando..like an assault gun, that does blast/acid/or stun or something...
Hehe, I'd rather have the profession modeled off the original C&C Commando myself...
Maybe once the proffession's tweaked to perfection we can make our official motto:
"I've got a present for yah!"
or
"That was left handed!"
heh yeah..but then that would be rifleman wouldnt it no?
since havoc's main weapon (even in the original game) was a sniper rifle..that could take down light vechs and infantry..similar..to us..and blow up buildings..like us..
HELL...just give rifleman C4's and they're more commando than us
Message Edited by StarNick on 03-21-2004 02:22 AM