Commando Archive
Thread: We are to concerned too much with the FT. Lets accept that we need more versatility.
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TechnoHic
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:52 pm
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Hey guys, it seems everytime I turn around there is another post about how they are nerfing the FT this way and that and it just gets to be plain depressing. Im guilty of it too, but the thing is, whenever we start worrying about the FT, the overall commando profession gets for saken therefor we are as guilty as the nerf herders yelling about the FT without paying attention to the rest of the tree.
OK so we do bring things up that are broke quite often, but be honest, how many of those times are we using it to try to protect the FT? See what I'm getting at? This keeps us a 1 trick pony.
Currently we have a post by TH for commando in concept. everyone is showing varyying opinions on what the profession should be, but I think for the most part we have some same general ideas we could all agree on, and with other professions getting in there and saying what they think we should be, I think we need to get somethings that all of us could agree on to be redundant on that post in order to catch their eye. I dont mean stuff to make us uber, just stuff that would make us functional and reasonable compared to other combat professions that we think we should be.
I currently have been working hard and got a 5 page document in MS Word on how to do this, but I will not post the whole thing. Give me another day and I'll trim it down to a manageable ammount to read here. I talked in circles a couple of times and also turned and defeated some of my own points, not that it was an accident, but what I was trying to do in order to try to keep my thoughts fair.
Anyway, could we stop about the FT already and focus on the overall profession? I will really need everyone to take a look and point out what they like and dislike about what I got to say when I post this in order to try to get as much of us to support what we come up with at the end as possible. It will be a community effort.
LancerX92
Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:24 pm
#2
I think you miss the reason why everyone "including myself" are harping about the FT issue. Believe me I wish we had more to pick from then just the FT but we don't. They have nevr fixed anything but the FT in the commando skills. And now they are getting rid of the only thing that works. So ofcource we are all yelling about the FT getting nerfed. I would love to use a Acid rifle or a Rocket Launcher at different times but we can't. Heck if they would just give us a rifle or sling shot that worked I would be happy at this point.
At this point I just have no confidence in the Devs and managment of this game to make changes that will make the game a enjoyable playing experiance. They had 5 months to make serious changes and years before it went live to make changes but they havent. So I agree that the FT is getting to much focus but again whatelse do we have to focus on?
Pern "cooking Commando" Albera
Enshadowed
At this point I just have no confidence in the Devs and managment of this game to make changes that will make the game a enjoyable playing experiance. They had 5 months to make serious changes and years before it went live to make changes but they havent. So I agree that the FT is getting to much focus but again whatelse do we have to focus on?
Pern "cooking Commando" Albera
Enshadowed
Rimau
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:50 pm
#3
I hear ya man, people do **edit** a lot about the FT getting cut down, but rightfully so. I use the LP a lot and also use a lot of HPBC's and grenades. But, the latter two get to be very expensive. If they would give us the all the other heavy weapons, except the rocket launcher, without charges, I think more wouldn't complain so much. Maybe that sounds a little unfair however, consider the accuracy and speed mods on the other heavy weapons excluding the RL. Generally not as fast and surely not as accurate. With the dely when you have to kneel and fire them, I honestly don't think you'd see them in PvP all that much. I mean, honestly, I use HPBC's and RL's all the time in pvp.
If we ever get some good specials with the LP I think the nerfing to the FT won't hurt so badly. It's just that with a totally useless HAR (even with the bugs fixed it's still a crappy gun) and a weak LP and very very expensive heavy weapons, we don't have much else to rely on.
If we ever get some good specials with the LP I think the nerfing to the FT won't hurt so badly. It's just that with a totally useless HAR (even with the bugs fixed it's still a crappy gun) and a weak LP and very very expensive heavy weapons, we don't have much else to rely on.
Twentytolife
Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:30 pm
#4
I agree.
We basically use all these skill points for...... what ?
Raptor2k1
Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:42 pm
#5
I don't think this is going to be that bad actually though. Fire extinguishers didn't seem to make this upcoming publish, and the publish after the one on test is going to focus more on combat tweaking, so there is yet hope that we might be versatile enough that the FE's won't be a serious blow.
It's kind of interesting actually, the community seems to be split in the conceptual thread over whether we should focus on heavy weapons or be more spread out skill-wise, with heavy weapons only making up a smaller part of the profession.
wolfgang74
Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:41 am
#6
We need proton packs like the ghostbusters. Wish I could rename my character Peter Venkman 
TechnoHic
Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:06 am
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OK. I'll agreee that the FT is all we got. What I'm trying to say though is if all we do is sit here and complain about the FT getting nerfed and whats going on with that, we might miss our chance to say we need our heavy weapons to be more accurate and more affordable, we need our LP to work for US better than it does for someone else, Fix the HAR or change how its supposed to work or give us something else, make grenades more valuable to use, and HAM kills us when using HWs or grenades.
I PMed TH yesterday, telling him that while I apreciate the in concept thread, we still only have the FT as our only real working weapon, and knowing that in concept means a few weeks off, what was going to happen in the meant time, will we get fixes to our other weapons?
He said "All of those issues are being worked on as part of the combat balance
" So hopefully these issues that I just mentioned are adressed. So now, we should focus our attention on the role of a commando in SWG.
" So hopefully these issues that I just mentioned are adressed. So now, we should focus our attention on the role of a commando in SWG.We can complain all day about the FT getting nerfed and maybe they'll change how it is happening but in essence, all it will take is one swing of the nerf bat on the FT and our whole profession goes down until we have more working weapons.
I think I am ready to post my short version of our role as a "commanod in concept" on a new thread for eveyone to read and add what they think, remove/modify where I may be wrong so we can try to get a fair look on it that we can all agree to. by no ,eans is it to be mine. It can totally change 100% from what I start as everyone adds input, I just want some common ground we can all find to try to preserve of the essence of our profession.
umsmoke
Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:56 am
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I personally think flamethrowers (and HAR)are very "un-Star Warsy". Id much rather have a heavy assault rifle, or a mini-gun instea. I originally took the Commando path, because I wanted to deal heavy damage and use different weapons.
The reality of it is that the FT is the one that works the best.
Now they want to nerf it. LOL.
But if they fix/change our other weapons(with accuracy and speed, and LP specials)would it really be such a big deal?
The reality of it is that the FT is the one that works the best.
Now they want to nerf it. LOL.
But if they fix/change our other weapons(with accuracy and speed, and LP specials)would it really be such a big deal?
Eugliz
Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:50 pm
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Simply put.....give us a viable weapon besides flamethrower and i won't complain. So due to the test center patch i get to spend even more money on rocketlaunchers (incredibly expensive)....grenades that miss a lot (just as expensive and even more rare).....and a pistol launcher that does diddly squat unless i pick up some other pistol skills.
I understand the need for balance....but don't take away our ONE valuabletrue weapon without giving us something back.
/rant off
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