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Thread: A Squad Leading Commando . . :\

Yoeman
Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:57 pm
#1

Last night while deciding what paths to take next, I realized that you cannot master Squad Leader and Commando together. Call me crazy, but these two professions go together ( in r/l, and in game). A Commando's strength is in a large battle, same for the Squad Leader. This really needs to be changed.



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garvin
Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:08 pm
#2

Not sure I agree...a Commando is typically a grunt to be ordered around...in my eyes, they are the folks that the "Leaders" send it to do all the heavy damage as an initial wave of attack...I see us fitting on a team, but not leading it...otherwise I see a Commando who prefers to work solo...



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KnightHawk420
Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:23 pm
#3






garvin wrote:
Not sure I agree...a Commando is typically a grunt to be ordered around...in my eyes, they are the folks that the "Leaders" send it to do all the heavy damage as an initial wave of attack...I see us fitting on a team, but not leading it...otherwise I see a Commando who prefers to work solo...







I'm not sure I'd agree, we could slice up the description and idea a few different ways.



/shrug.




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DrewinNC
Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:25 pm
#4

I'm not even a novice commando yet, but I thought about trying to get squad leader as a follow on to commando. But I really don't think that the two should go together. The commando should spend his/her time softening the hard targets on a battlefield - turrets, pets, etc. while the squad leader needs to spend the time organizing the forces.


Acommandowould have to spend time analyzing and communicating rather than dealing out damage. And a squad leader should be someone who does not do the actual fighting rather they should have complementary skills that let them either take and/or avoid a few hits while they are concentrating on reading the opposing force's movements and deploying friendly units as necessary.


Not saying it cannot be done, I am just thinking that it may not be an optimal template on the battlefield.


Regards, G.


-Crunheythewookee-
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:32 am
#5

well call me a idiot but i have always thought of comandos being the giant goons that kill all the harder stuff in groups.



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Asok
Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:09 am
#6

Ive always thought of commandos as the elite that are both cunning and powerful.


Kinda like a cross between Boba Fett and a Storm trooper commander.





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garvin
Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:55 am
#7

I still think the general idea of a Commando is someone that typical takes orders...doesn't give them...ever notice in war movies, that those leading usually let other's do all the fighting...they always have the power to order around the "specialists", "grunts", and "power-houses"...while they, typically smaller then the rest, use strategy to win the battle...


Squad Leaders are the Chess players...Commando's are just one of the pieces...Aspects of both can be combined, but I don't see someone being a Master of Both...





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Cobbobles
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:10 pm
#8

if anything I thought commando would have to go through some basic scout training skills...instead of dabbling in unarmed which he never uses (in this game atleast)
garvin
Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:15 pm
#9

Everytime I think of a soldier with scouting abilities I think of a Ranger...not a Commando...I guess that's why I don't see us having any Scouting Skills...Rangers get the scouting...we get the Big Boom Sticks...



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Yoeman
Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:54 pm
#10

You all have good points, but in my opinion I think that the leader should be a powerful fighter, as well as a leader. If you are leading a group of commandos into battle, why should you have any less ability then them? Leading by example. Not ranting or anything,I just feel that the leader should be a cunning warrior along with his team. Take r/l for example, you have a squad of Navy SEALS .. the leader isnt going to be lacking any training and just sit back and give orders. He will be right in the mix, giving out orders while shoulder to shoulder with his men.



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durexseven
Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:17 am
#11




I am not a commando and i don't know if i will be a commando, with that said, you guys remember the movie Commando. It stared Ahhnold. He was a "One man Army" and did it all. I see a commando as a 1 man killing machine. A loner. If with a group he is sent off to do his "loner" thing and F@!# some **edit**e up while the main force comes in and sweeps up what is left in an orderly fashion. A commando doesn't really have time to give orders or, on the other side, rely on others for their support. Here is an sample from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (mostly supports my ideas)



Main Entry: com·man·do
Pronunciation: k&-'man-(")dO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -dos or -does Etymology: Afrikaans kommando, from Dutch commando command, from Spanish comando, from comandar to command, from Late Latin commandare
1 South Africa a : a military unit or command of the Boers b : a raiding expedition
2 a : a military unit trained and organized as shock troops especially for hit-and-run raids into enemy territory b : a member of such a unit


The leader of commandos doesn't need to be a complete commando, he/she just has to know what a commando can do and how it can best be used to fit the situation. As a leader I don't have to be the best at everything i just have to use the best people for everything.


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Lifylos
Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:11 am
#12

I know this isnt real life,but when i equate Galaxies proffesions to mind sets, I generally use real life examples.

That being said, in real life, the commando, is the specialist, The cunning soldier,whos most powerful weapons are his mind, and versatility. Trained to be both sharp, and a quick shot, these men were sent out in teams, to sabotage/and or destroy important targets before a Major battle (think WWII, If I remember correctly) They were masters of all things, the mind not excluded.


this being said...I can see how it wouldnt work out in a video game standpoint. I cant see why they seperated them,but I can agree that scouting wasnt neccisary for commando, so yeah...that is alot of FP just for the scouting part...oh well.. Id rather see us having something we dont need, but use (scouting) then something we do need, but dont use (unarmed)



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Yoeman
Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:41 pm
#13

Alright . . . well when I made this thread I was quite disapointed in not being able to master SL and commando. But you guys raised some good points and discussions. Great job! Now if everything in SWG was discussed like this we might acutally get a game that rises to our expectations.



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