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Thread: TKA 'armor' superior to all else?
xPREDATORx wrote:
xPREDATORx wrote:
xPREDATORx wrote:
i know u gona say bullet proof vests but even in todays army troops dont get body armour... CRAZY?
I don't know about wherever you're from, but in my country they do.
im from england and regular infantry do not get body armour. hell even if u went to world war 1,2, vietnam falklands even in iraq none of the soldier would have bullet proof armour
maybe some sepecial forces troops mite get issiued some sort of protective padded body armour but nuthing intended for bullets. inthe u.s.a maybe.
what do you think those helmets are for?
fashion?
Many soldiers In the USA do indeed have body armor.. ALOT of it they bought with their own money.
heck even our cops show up in head to toe body armor.
first of all i never mentioned the cops even our armed response units have body armour but not our army and the helmit u talk about the british army helmits can stop bullets from a certain amount of distance ( and nodont go on about point blank lets not get stupid)but its still not classed as bullet proof its mainly designed for protection of the head from falling objects.... and thats 1 peice of protection for the whole body.... and number 3 ive already stated im from england not the usa!
Any word yet on whether TKA will have damage mitigation and insane dodging ability?
xPREDATORx wrote:
i bet armoursmiths r pooped i bet armour sales will go down by a small percentage due to tka no needing armour and i cant say im too happy that just coz they r unarmed they dont have to pay for armour....
and actually u know how messed up this is now.... i know this will never be real and blah blah blah yadda yadda yaddabut we are in the future where there should be no room what so ever for melee classes except jedi but the thing is.... look at history medieval knights, samurai all wore armour and the more you go on in teh time line when gunz became the new, armour be came less and less i know u gona say bullet proof vests but even in todays army troops dont get body armour...
seems that swg works in reverese the more ranged dependant u are the thicker the armour u get??? so far im picturing a commando as a medieval knight with gunz??????????? CRAZY?
not true, ever ear the saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same?" if guns were the be all to end all why would special forces guys get trained to knfie fight? and the reason our troops dont get body armour is the stupid politicians dont want to "waste" money on such "unneeded" expencies and to keep it true to star wars lore as to why there is meele combat still, After the Mandolorian war when Revan lead the sith armada aginst the republic they all of a sudden had energy shields(something that had not been developed previously) and the only way to effictively counter these shield was withnon-energy weapons. And another thing, a vibro sword with cortosis weaved into it isnt able to be sliced in two by a lightsaber so for killing jedi meele was one of your best bets.
xPREDATORx wrote:
xPREDATORx wrote:
xPREDATORx wrote:
i know u gona say bullet proof vests but even in todays army troops dont get body armour... CRAZY?
I don't know about wherever you're from, but in my country they do.
im from england and regular infantry do not get body armour. hell even if u went to world war 1,2, vietnam falklands even in iraq none of the soldier would have bullet proof armour
maybe some sepecial forces troops mite get issiued some sort of protective padded body armour but nuthing intended for bullets. inthe u.s.a maybe.
what do you think those helmets are for?
fashion?
Many soldiers In the USA do indeed have body armor.. ALOT of it they bought with their own money.
heck even our cops show up in head to toe body armor.
first of all i never mentioned the cops even our armed response units have body armour but not our army and the helmit u talk about the british army helmits can stop bullets from a certain amount of distance ( and nodont go on about point blank lets not get stupid)but its still not classed as bullet proof its mainly designed for protection of the head from falling objects.... and thats 1 peice of protection for the whole body.... and number 3 ive already stated im from england not the usa!
yeah i guess i should had gone more into depth about it... meaning no less important but more minimal in size
yeah it can be argued both ways and yes i know its all about the cash and economy pretty sad our guys are out there riskin their lives whilest some ole git gets to say its not cost effective to provide all the best equipment.....
as for the special forces guys getting trained in knife fighting it all depends what country you are from in which i think this debate got caught up in... but i know that the british regualrs get next to zero hand to hand combat training because they believe in the theory of you should always have your weapon by your side and the situation should have never occured theory. but when it comes to the s.a.s they do alot of cloakndagger stuff where a knife is always bettre than a silienced gun....
but anyways this should lighten the mood but it has nuthing to contribute to this thread....
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=a+mile+a+minute+star+wars&as_sitesearch=flashplayer.com&num=100&btnG=Google+Search&as_dt=i&sa2.x=37&sa2.y=10
then select the first one (sum reason a direct link wont work.)
Message Edited by xPREDATORx on 04-10-2005 12:42 AM
I have no idea why I felt the need to post this.
Novock wrote:
Atanmir wrote:
Iron-Monkey wrote:
AfeeElandra wrote:
But looks aside - a TKM gets to keep 300k a suit of armour and potentially has 60% protection to all damage types as opposed to a 50% protection from assault armour.
If a commando wants to spend his sp's on TKM instead of say Pistol...its a good trade off IMO.
That is going to be the whole point of the CU, making the appropriate trade-offto fityour play style.
Lots of guns = less defense + need to wear bulky armor.
Though I can see the Commando / TK combo being more popular than ever. Imagine being able to wield all your glourious new weapons and not need the bulky armor due to your innate TK armor. oooooooooh, fun times.
Will you be a commando using only a knukler? Couse the innate TK armor only works when unarmed and it's totally negated when wielding another weapon.
No i believe you're incorrect there. The innate armor from TKA will work no matter what weapon you are holding. What turns it off is if you put on armor.
Thank you for the clear up. Lots of guns +no need for bulky armor = HAPPY WOOKIEE
Wookiees and Trandos (and other non-humans) should take note here, remember a lot of species will not be able to wear all the necessary pieces of armor that is needed to protect your entire character. For example Wookiees and Trandos can not wear the helmet portion of any factional armor (rebel, Imperial, Scout, Normal, Battle Armor, don't matter, no helmet for you). Thus, it would be a benefit to those species to take up TK for the natural protection. I am certainly going to plan on doing that. Oh, and yes, I will still equip the knuckles when necessary
When the faction armour stuff was posted wookiees were overlooked. Wookiees and Ithorians can't wear any of it.
Zilod wrote:
garvin wrote:2) Let me tell you what Blixtev told me once when I asked the same question...The difference between wearing armor and having TK's Avoidance, is that, when facing a TK who isn't wearing armor, they will be pretty hard to hit, but when they do get hit, they get hit HARD...So basically, a person who faces a TK will want (1) ranged abilities to try and keep them out of range & (2) As much accuracy (both general and specific) as they can get so they can "hit them hard"...
There is a price to wearing armor...but there is also a price to NOT wearing armor...Wearing it gives you movement and speed penalties...Not wearing armor lifts those penalties, but makes you much more vunerable to damage (no damage mitigation). So the question is, which hurts less?
actually atm is not like that, TKA get its own mitigation that, at master level, is quite similar to advanced armors
Yeah, 'TIA' (Teras Innate Armor?) it's been nicknamed. Which I confess I want to try, I'm not convinced it's not totally borked right now on Test, I do better in a Stormtrooper suit...of course, I'm just TK Novice there right now, I'm sure that makes a difference.
And I think there'll still be times when it's better to choose one or the other, go with armor or without. One advantage of having it versus the other, TIA gets better when your skills improve, has no armor encumberance, but starts off pretty piddly for protection. A suit of comp or whatever will lower your accuracy, speed, and movement while you're low-level as a Commando, but it'll have the same protection throughout. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you find a bunch of pre-Master TKA's picking a different elite prof, and grinding TK while wearing some kinda armor--that's pretty much what I'm doing on Test in my trooper gear. I'm easy to spot, look for the ghostly white figure in the hills who's slapping critters around barehanded. Well, with my armor gloves (that provide no armor, still a strange concept), but same diff. After the mastery, assuming I even manage to get it on test, maybe the armor'll come off, maybe not, depends on whether TIA turns out to really be any good or not.
HOTDOG wrote:
Kells wrote:As a Smuggler I just like the RPing opportunities not having to wear armor provides.I agree Kells. TOTALLY.
But If I take TKM I'm going to have to give up all those weapons that come with Master Commando and just pick out two lines.
I got some ROUGH decisions to make here
If I can RP being in my Imperial corset--err, uniform, and have a chance to SURVIVE as Captain (soon to be Major) Chess Melodi...THAT will be sweet.
MTVGeneration wrote:Ok firstly I am not a Commando or TK.Secondly I always fancied being a commando since I saw some very uber flamethrowers and thought they looked cool but hated the fact that I had to use up so many skill points to get it so with that in mind the CU has definetely got one positive...As someone grinding TKA anyway reading this thread has been educational....Due to the CU I was going to keep Rifleman which I already have and was thinking of 2h Swords before someone in my Guild suggested TKA and Commando....I have to say that the saving of money, lack of encumberence, having no armour while still wielding your flamethrower is definetely an advantage and remember that TKA's may not be like they were before but ther awill be some new VK's out and they will still be tough...I know you guys won't like hearing this but for those grinding FS, This may be a very popular combination still...One thoguht tho, if you didn't take TKA as your 2nd Combat prof, what would you take? I can only think thof maybe Rifleman or Sordsman myself...just curious...
Mmm, good question. Carbineer is popular, so is Smuggler...they'll likely become more popular choices, now that (not that I can confirm this in play) ranged specials from other profs are supposed to carry over into heavy weapons. Bounty hunter I've heard is another choice. Really, about anything could be useful in some ways--Fencer, even, with its defense capabilities, plus ability to choose battle armor and not just assault armor, from my limited experience with 'em on test the battle armor seems to have better all-around defenses, and assault armor beefs up kinetic resistance at the cost of a little energy defense. Other possibilities I can think of, tho' I don't know how popular or effective it'd be knowing little about the profs, would be squad leader or combat medic. The former to help with teamplay, the latter to wreak different kinds of havoc with poisons and diseases.