Commando Archive

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Carwin wrote:

I wandered over to these boards because I saw a commando complaining about being "ignored"on the dev tracker. I figured he must be in the minority given the recent incredible commando buffs, but instead the first thing I see is "petition for apology from Q... yada yada".

You people do realize the current TC patch is basically one giant Commando love-fest, right? Every single one of your weapons is getting majorly buffed, and the entire grenade concept was reworked. How the hell can you possibly think you're being ignored? I mean, DEs and BEs I can understand, but Commando has to be among the LEAST ignored classes in the entire game (at least as far as the last 2 weeks are concerned).

in case you were too tarded to see it the first time, you can see the notes for yourself here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=TestCenter&message.id=8865#M8865

Long story short: **edit** are you all complaining about?

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I'm complaining because there are zero Commando weapons available on my server due to a lack of resources. I've been a Commando for a couple of weeks and cannot level. After that we can get to the non-live fixes.

DMG DMG DMG,,,if i cant do around 2200 dmg average with acid or flamey the class wont be anygood, I do around 1500-2000 dmg AVERAGE ,with my cripple shot,with a 366dmg 3.1 speed carbinee,,,,Ive done 3450 dmg shot before with it,,,,If i dont see that i can do anybetter with my acid or flamey i will quiet this game forever,,,,,Ive been a commando a week after launch and the fixes i hear on the TC are just plane not good enough,,,,i hear that people only do around 1500dmg with specials,,,thats still not good enought for me.

Plus I have bleed shots and stun shots with my carbinee,,so if i dont see a difference in dmg carbineer vs commando ,,this game is just screwed,,,,,I used to be able to stack 2 bleed shots and get a 1k dmg bleed on an at-st.............Even the fixes on TC dont look so good for the commando,,,,

Ok, Basicly what you are saying is commando's are no longer alowed to complain because other classes need to complain too...I fail to see the logic.

Sure we might be getting some love, AT LAST!, but the fact remains we havn't seen anything yet and we are unhappy about it.

I Sympathise with DE's tho, theyare pretty much as broken as us...Bio engineers not so much, they Function some whatatleast (allbeit not how they would like)...

Fact of the matter is Somone had to be Fixed eventualy, out of all the Completly broken classes, and i guess they picked Commandos to be second(rangers were first).

A quick note on whining...

Quote from Holocron:

"One of the things we noticed from the correspondent material, for example, was that every single combat profession said they were underpowered or gimped, except for pistoleer. Our approach on that, frankly, would be "pistoleers are probably too powerful," not to elevate everyone else"

Message: The day you stop whining and become content with your class is the day you get the nerf bat swung at ya. Never stop whining my beloved Commandos

It's not the fact we are whining. We understand it takes time. It took a month to fix the broken certifications on our weaponry. And when we -did- get our weapons, they were sub-par, and have been sub-par to any other gun out there.

In groups, we got little to no xp. No one wanted us cause of the particle effects on the LP/Flamer. The acid rifle was a joke. The delay on it, even with specials meant we killed rabbits, or gorgs non-stop all day. For little to no xp. We couldn't level like the other classes.

Our specials were broken. Our range was 0.0 for ideal. No word.

We got some love and LP went back to Heavy Weapons XP, instead of Pistol Xp. After three weeks.

So yeah, why were we mad? Why did we want to be fixed? We were truly broken. Not unbalanced. But broken.

We couldn't get our xp for our boxes cause the certs didn't work. And the LP gave pistol xp.

Now, do you see why we were so mad? Our complaints are not unjustified in the slightest. And most of our complaints weren't "Make us L337 d00d" -- they were.

Please make us work.

And we're still waiting. =)

What Oruedin says rings so true. I have been a Commando for well over a month now. Around two weeks ago or so I was actually able to advance past Novice because my LP was giving me Heavy Weapon Exp which we need to lvl. Our certs where broke our weapons are still broke we flat out didnt function.

To the original poster you have no buisness even posting when you have no idea of the real issues at hand. Until you are a Commando and have been one a while please refrain from using our board. I would not dare to go to the BE forums and complain about them being upset. I don't understand their issues nor am Igoing to pretend to. Some people should have forum rights revoked. Please don't cludder our board with useless posts.

Actually, I've plugged for BE/DE's all the time. They need fixing too.

And most Commando's pretty much speak up for the other classes too. We know what it's like being broken, so we want BE/DE's fixed too!

Yeahyou guyswin.

Trolling - bah, is there any stupider concept than that? The boards exist for debate and discussion; when 20 some-odd lines of a patch are devoted to a profession, and that profession thendemands an APOLOGY, you have to expect someone to raise an eyebrow. Honestly I'm surprised more people in truly ignored classes aren't yelling at you. Spend a little time with mmos and you'll learn that 99.9% of the time boards that look this one are made more of inferiority complexes than facts, I'm just here to find out (and flame a bit, but that should be expected by now).

Besides - you're posting on the SWG boards in the middle of the day (from work) - you got something better to do than back-and-forth a bit in an otherwise weepy and boring forum? Maybe the devs will read this, and seeing how I was 'trounced' - realize that you're all right and you DO need buffing. A thread with 100 /bumps contains less legit info than one full of people righteously defending their class. Some day, when commandos are wiping Durni off of their boots, you'll owe it all to Carwin!

Seriously, it's obvious that if you're actually unable to kill a durni reliably, then you need a LOT of buffing, not just grenade fixes, better ranges and AR.

Do you then think the commando should be a damage-output king? Or just excell against armored vehicles. I know the devs haven't been exactly forthcoming with the 'vision' for thecommando but I think it's understood that they will struggle a bit taking on small targets - but take out installations and vehicles like pros. Not that you should be unable to kill Durnis, but damage output doesn't seem to be the commando concept - that sounds more likea Rifleman. Maybe the TC changes are, in fact, enough - as long as they allow for that.

I dont realy mind when people whine unless its whineing about other people whineing

Here is the deal with Vehicles. They will have verylarge damage pools and even a Speeder will have some light armor.....it has too. The AT-ST is a vehicle and has a very large pool. It is a vision of what to expect when the vehicle and mounts expansion hits. A guy with a DL44 isn't going to take out an AT-ST....its like trying to knock out an M113 Personnel Carrier with a .45. You'll knock the lights out but you aren't going to hurt it. .50 Sniper rifle will hurt it. Same can be said of T21. In the RPG its a Light Repeating Blaster Rifle that is a step below an E-Web. That will hurt an AT-ST but you better run like a DLOTS is on you because that AT-ST is going to blow your Rifleman butt off. Along comes the Commando. His job: kill armor or vehicles. His tools: high damage, high AP weapons....they should be the highest in the game because they are being used against things that have both high armor and high damage pool. 2-4 hits with a Rocket Launcher is not unreasonable. 15 to 20 is. the Devs aren't going to give everyone that kind of DPS...sorry. They have made it expensive for the Commando. 25-30 charges and extremely rare resources needed in some components. I'm not complaining. They shouldn't be cheap or numerous and anyone using one on your average Joe is an idiot. Are there idiots out there.......heh.....yep. Find 'em frag 'em and forget 'em because they won't last as a Commando.

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Carwin wrote:

Doesn't change my opinion that most of you are just whining "I want it now!!" when you know full well you're going to get it in a week or two -

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In case you didn't know, Commando was COMPLETELY broken and ignored for the first MONTH the game was out. The only way we could get any HW experince at all was with a Flamethrower that does like 200dmg every 5 seconds.

We WHINED non stop for a whole month, Q-3PO decided to tell us everything is working correctly. IF you haven't seen that post, you can see Q get RIPPED SOO HARD with like 300 replies or somthin like that. Not one response. Then holocron posts a couple weeks later stating all the changes that will be made with the commando class and be implemented on the TC right away. It took them a week to get anything on the TC and when they do, its BROKEN.

Do i believe that in TWO WEEKS Commando is going to be fixed?? HELL NO! They don't even know what the hell they are doing. They can't get their story straight, and there is almost 0 FEEDBACK at all.

I quit for 2 weeks until they fixed launcher pistol, and now i can kind of kill stuff because i bought probably one of the best Launcher Pistols available and i'm a Pistoleer. How would you like be a DE and have to pick up BE to make a droid? I'm going to whine and complain until our class is usable.

I'll stop whining when i see some LIVE RESULTS, right now.. updates to the TC mean absolutly nothing to me, especially since the TWO people who play on the TC says its screwed up.

Zaphod

lol release a game in beta state charge people to play...of course people will complain that "their" class is broken.

is commando "more broken" then other classes-of course! but I'm a commando and have NEVER played a DE so I can't say with 100% accuracy that I'm the more broken-although my favorite post was on the DE forum:

"the 1st nerf with prodroids was like a punch in the stomach. taking away the droid modules was like kicking us in the balls as we stand up"

LOL thats a great visual...lol since raph posted his pic I imagine him...

"so you're a droid engineer eh?" /punch in stomach /wait 5 /kick in balls

I'm waiting another week for the "before the next big patch" commando fix that holo said was in the works.

putting it on test center when only 2 people play commandos there...and they are reporting that SOME aspects aren't fixed...sigh

where is the BH trainer again-as BH is EASIER to get then commando I might as well switch over

~shiz~