Commando Archive
Thread: To Sum It All Up...
Not to be rude, but how long have you actively followed the commando forums? I see that you only have 14 posts, so I'm not sure how long you've been around. The commando community used to be by FAR the most courteous, and productive of any of the boards on the forum. When heavy weapons first started appearing, armor wasn't around (armorsmiths were making chitten at the time) and people were being one shot killed by them. We went to the devs and asked them to lower our accuracy rating against "soft" targets (an error in hindsight, as 3 of the 4 consumable heavy weapons have dmg types that are 100% resisted by "hard" targets, and thus useless). We championed the cause of riflemen to have our special heavy weapons reclassified from melee status, as we thought us doing 2.5x damage to riflemen was too much. We were rewarded by having the motifier placed on US instead. Furthermore, comments leaked out from the dev boards, that the combat dev, Lord Paul, didn't give a **edit** about commandos, and had no plans to do anything with them in his "vision" of future plans. The sad fact is, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Nobody screamed louder than TKA's and Riflemen back in the day. You are now seeing the result of that. Meanwhile, we had been quite constructive around here (more so than any other board) and we are rewarded with incredibly rediculous nerfs, and neglect in fixing our skills. We have now been live for 8 months, and to this day, the HAR mods still don't work. This is something a programmer could spend less than an hour on to fix, but they haven't. The only other combat class that is as broken as commando is pikemen.
You must also understand that the commando community was recently utterly and completely betrayed by Thunderheart. He picked up our class, and made promises on how he would champion our cause, and have the devs look into our 3 broken lines. You know what he did instead? He decided to break our one currently working line, and pretty much told us to go **edit** ourselves. Did you read his posts? Did you see how completely off base they were? So you are now seeing the results of that. I think something snapped in us about 2 weeks ago, and at the very least TH owes us an apology for his childish and arrogant responses to our legitimate concerns. Furthermore, when this is combined with Lord Paul's leaked posts, there is a danger that we will be the only class left behind, and at the worst, his comments could be portrayed to mean that the commando profession will be removed entirely.
Now, you say, that's fine, go play another class. Well, we've invested 8 month's into our characters. For many of us, commando isn't just a profession we play, but rather it's become a defining attribute of our characters. We have become very hostile, as the devs for what ever reason beknown to them, have deemed to treat us with much less respect than any other profession in the game, refusing to even listen to any feedback we give them (the only combat profession that has this unfortunate honor), on a profession many of them have never played.
Nighthelm wrote:
Not to be rude, but how long have you actively followed the commando forums? I see that you only have 14 posts, so I'm not sure how long you've been around.
Well Nighthelm thanks for your reply. Yes i have only had 13 post (including this one ) and the reason for that is because i dont always feel the need to reply to then, and only reply when i feel as though i have something to Say. I have been reading the forums for some time now and this is my second Character ( i was master swordsman before) , I can understand you being Pissed off but what i was trying to say was that if people are goin to voice how bad things are thats fine but do it in the correct post. Do u realy think TH or any of the other devs are gonna read this " I think Not" so what is the point of whineing to them on a post that is not going to be read?
I was also tryin to say that if people are so fed up of the way the commando prof is goin ( and yes i read every day people thretening to leave the prof ) why not try something else instead. You have taken every thing i have said the wrong way !!!!
Mavrick65 wrote:
Nighthelm wrote:
Not to be rude, but how long have you actively followed the commando forums? I see that you only have 14 posts, so I'm not sure how long you've been around.
Well Nighthelm thanks for your reply. Yes i have only had 13 post (including this one ) and the reason for that is because i dont always feel the need to reply to then, and only reply when i feel as though i have something to Say. I have been reading the forums for some time now and this is my second Character ( i was master swordsman before) , I can understand you being Pissed off but what i was trying to say was that if people are goin to voice how bad things are thats fine but do it in the correct post. Do u realy think TH or any of the other devs are gonna read this " I think Not" so what is the point of whineing to them on a post that is not going to be read?
I was also tryin to say that if people are so fed up of the way the commando prof is goin ( and yes i read every day people thretening to leave the prof ) why not try something else instead. You have taken every thing i have said the wrong way !!!!
Man I have missed a heap guess that comes from not reading these **edit** forums. Reason why I don't read these forums they always make me sad. Cause deep down I know that the Commando will be one of the last professions to be fixed, why I think this is the fact that the HAR mods have still have not been fixed.
But I will be damned to give up on this profession and I will never give up my Master Commando box. I don't post much and when I do I always go on about balance and such but over time the commando requests have been really decent 
which makes me happy.
Stick with it for the long haul we may not be good in PvP but so far I have never seen anyone better than the commando in PvE for mass damage vs multiple mobs.
Plasmaboy wrote:
Man I have missed a heap guess that comes from not reading these **edit** forums. Reason why I don't read these forums they always make me sad. Cause deep down I know that the Commando will be one of the last professions to be fixed, why I think this is the fact that the HAR mods have still have not been fixed.
But I will be damned to give up on this profession and I will never give up my Master Commando box. I don't post much and when I do I always go on about balance and such but over time the commando requests have been really decent
Stick with it for the long haul we may not be good in PvP but so far I have never seen anyone better than the commando in PvE for mass damage vs multiple mobs.
Someone said in another post that they are trying to get everyone to leave the commando proffesion so they can start over - quite frankly, im not going to give them the satisfaction. Im staying commando, period. Ill just master pistoleer, use my launcher pistol, enough said.
Im not leaving commando for anything now. Before I had this very negative feeling and I was quite close on droping everything but flame 4. But something inside me says no. If the devs put something new, im not going to rework up the commando tree, im getting my fixes wether they like it or not, sooner or later that is.
They are enforcing the fact that commandos are for PvE and NOT PvP.... welocme to being glorified cash cows... least next to master CHers..... our jobs is to take out pets and vehicles NOT people we are too powerful to fight and they are gonna make dang sure if we try we are likely to die or not effect them at all.... and it's not like I can win a fight against someone who isn't even into any elite professions LOL. prob is we are still target ourselves defencless and having to be protected worse then an ATST is
DakOveran wrote:
garvin wrote:
When I go to a restaurant and I don't like the food, I just don't go there anymore. I don't stand in front of the cook whining that I paid for a better plate and still continue to go at that same restaurant.
What about this analogy...when you car get's a flat tire, do you abandon it and go buy a new car? Or do you try and get it fixed? Personally I love our profession and if I see something broken or about to break it further I think I'll stay and try to get it fixed...I don't just say "Oh well, this sucks...time to move on..."
Commandos don't give up...and Diehard Commandos Die Hard....
I totally agree with you. If you take a closer look at my reply, you'll see that it was not directed to you. (anyway the analogy is wrong since you can't blame the one who built the car when you get a flat tire)
It's only that some people "think" that whining is a good way to get things changed. I'm all for making this profession better but people that come here only to say that the devs don't care about us don't help the profession.
So maybe, some would feel better if they would just move on. Those who really enjoy being a commando will stay here knowing they'll have to be patient. Accusing the devs of everything will change nothing.
And you'll find that no one is whining. we arent going "Waaah we are broken! We need to be the uberestest now!" We are merely laying out what is wrong with our proffesion. No one can deny we have one of the most nerfed,ignored,and borken proffesions in the game. We are laying out our isssues in a proffesional manner. If you wish to see unconstructive whining...I reccomend you go to the Bounty hunter. As of 2 months ago, it was a TERRIBLE whining place to be. Ive seen nothing but proffesionalism here.
I have to say I've been a bit quiet lately mainly mourning the loss of my TKA defenses soon. I've started working toward a role geared more toward group myself but I hate the fact that I will be a total wimp alone.
I will say that even as an IMP I've thought about resigning and going rebel believe it or not just so I can get into a fight over my sliced equipment and have them bring a ship down with 10 stormtroopers in it. I think it would be a lot of fun but I have gotten too involved as Imperial and am guilding up so i wouldnt want to leave my guildy friends nor do I think some of the rebels would like to see me around anymore. Not all rebels but at least 1 guild hates me. lol
Anyway I'll be popping in on things like our 10 questions and such cause I dont want to go without stating my position on things where we may have a hair of influence on the outcome of our profession, I just dont see the point of spending all the time I have in the past just posting here.
Garvin, ty for keeping up the fight so long. You have my full support.