Commando Archive

You can't have a bug free MMORPG and every game is not perfect. and before you all think everyone on warcraft is happy read theirforums, it is the same old song and dance.

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Tyyylowyspetily wrote:
The specials still need some work, but let's not forget this isn't the effort of SOE's entire design staff, this is Helios kickin some butt and takin names on our behalf. One developer can only do so much at once, which leaves less than ideal conditions to get a balance on these right out of the gate. I'm hopeful that the theory that Helios is operating under while working on these specials, is that it will be better received by the player baseto go back and make them more powerful as needed, rather than nerf them a week after the first specials we've had post CU are released. Unless there remains no answer on this issue to StarNick's inquiries, let's give Helios the benefit of the doubt. He's done some nice things so far for us, and unlike so many before him, has shown some follow through on the promise to lend us a hand.

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QFE

Sasher Redo

Message Edited by DrakkoFett on 10-19-2005 07:58 PM

Here is some of my testing from live using a lightning beam cannon with 406-791 + 149, 43% splash, on level 46 mobs. The second attack in each set is splash damage. However they are supposed to work, splash is being increased. Overkill and Demolition do not seem to cause any splash damage. I had more numbers but realised I got intimidated after the ones I have here. Another note is that when I equipped my pistol, the commando specials were marked as non-usable (as melee specials would be). I also removed the weapon from the spam.

Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Overkill Shot and hits for 1013 points.

Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Ranged Shot and hits for 713 points.
Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Ranged Shot and hits for 376 points.

Kalek Darsian has caused a Kunga hunter to take 317 points of fire damage.

Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Improved Body Shot and hits for 1013 points.
Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Improved Body Shot and hits for 506 points.

Kalek Darsian has caused a Kunga hunter to take 290 points of fire damage.
Kalek Darsian has caused a Kunga hunter to take 353 points of fire damage.

Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Deadbang Shot and hits for 833 points.
Kalek attacks a Kunga hunter with Deadbang Shot and hits for 428 points.

Maybe they have a "base" rate for AoE damage that isn't directly modified by the special, but is a seperate AoE rate for the specials? Don't know, only know what they tell me at the moment heh.

I believe you, in no way should anyone take this as disputing what has been said, but I know some of us are going to see numbers that dont reflect that and I don't want anyone else doubting their santiy

We'll have to conduct further tests, but it's *suppoused* to be intended that we aren't going to get 64% AoE if we're shooting 2.5k damage with overkill shot.

Maybe, just maybe...thats the root of the problem with our damage specials and why folks are thinking the AoE also gets enhanced? Maybe, a bug is in the code where they're not properly modifying the damages and rather, the AoE secondary damage is dictating what the primary damage should be in order for the AoE damage to be true.

So if with overkill, it must be 500 AoE damage...then the special would have to produce 1500 damage, even if at the advanced level it should produce twice that but still have 500 AoE damage?

Or simply, the specials are so low-damage that we're not seeing the whole picture at the moment.

One thing's for certain, things are still screwy as both deadbang and focus fire don't do what they're suppoused to do with the AoE (shortening range, narrowing cone respectively) in the first place...

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Gunga000 wrote:
Glad i stopped in here first. I was thinking of using my respec token to switch my smuggler to commando instead of pistoleer , but not now lol. What a nightmare. I'm sorry for commandos everywhere. Could be worse, you could be a smuggler still waiting.

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LOL i bet the race you like best is a troll in WOW right? i hope sumggler don't get fix becuase of this ass hat.

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cyrom wrote:

LOL i bet the race you like best is a troll in WOW right? i hope sumggler don't get fix becuase of this ass hat.

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StarNick wrote:
Wasn't just one...the specials were the work of not only Helios, but also Keldarin and Jfreeman.

Ironically, those are the three of my favorite developers too...

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Whoops. Didn't mean to slight anyone else that is colaborating on this, but Helios has certianly been the most visible developer pushing this forward. Hopefully the three of them (sorry Keldarin and Jfreeman) had more in mind for us than 2 clones of overchargeshot and a 15 second criticalshot.

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all that testing and planning and this is what we get?...

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We tested & gave feedback. We were told that the specials would get some tweaks in the next patch 11 days ago on TC2...theres most likely more to come, it's just now out yet...much to our dismay.

kind of a relief but still.....damn......

thanks nick

But for a note the attack that do more damage to driods and building i can see a diffence, but with only by 300 damage to level 53 siver bars. but a AOE is ****ing off the hook. I'm commando/pistols 2-0-0-0 CM and the rest in FS and i was fighting 2 level 82 imps. their was some cloes calls but once i killed the first one the secend guy was a little below half health. the DOTs work better and even if it only 64% it is still a huge help.

EDIT: and sorry about what i said about the crafter, i didn't know he sopport commando with weapions on that sever. all i saw was sumggler and i know from the past their a liltle jaded.

Message Edited by cyrom on 10-19-2005 12:47 PM

Message Edited by cyrom on 10-19-2005 12:50 PM