Commando Archive
Thread: Limiting the amount of time that I will wait for the infamous upgrade docs.
Skeptic666
Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:24 am
#14
I have lost my faith in Commando a long time ago sad to say. I come here to read any good news and there are hardly any posts any more Ive seen tumbelweeds roll accross this forum most days. I hear Garvins words that once brought me great hope just sound like the wind blowing. I am sorry I mean no offense to you Garvin I have just heard you and TH say wait wait wait. I have waited to long. My patiance has left. I am still a master commando. I am going to play JTLS becuase the bases of it is blowing stuff up. And come on that is why we are commando right?
So I will play JTLS probably for a month or 3 depending what they add and how board I get with the grinding. By then I hope the Revamp balance or upgrade what ever the hell they are calling it is out other wise I will be leaving.
And ya ya who cares another whiny commando bites the dust no biggy I know. But still come on. For the love of god. This is in no way how to run a business. Piss off your cash cow. Lets see how much longer this cow gives you his milk.
I am almost ready to go and copy past some really bad posts and hit it on every single forum I can right before I leave so when they ban me I can say I was banned for speaking my mind instead of giving up.
LuciusScipio
Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:44 am
#15
I've found myself playing Rome: Total War the few hours that I do have. That combined with the fact that the wife and I are moving has meant no SWG's whatsoever (including Beta) during the last 2 weeks. I've been involved in the community & tracked the gamefor at least 3 years (probably more) but I'verecently become somewhat pessimistic because I miss the old energetic/charismaticDev culturewho encouraged community involvement and gaveso much hope...Yea, JTL will pump me up for alittle while but I could see myself losing interest in the game if they don't throw us more substantive bones...soon...So, I feel for the origional poster & can relate to him.
WolfGuy
Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:29 am
#16
OMFG Half-life 2 is actually coming out!!!?!?!? That is not good for my SWG playing 
Tlk
Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:46 am
#17
JtL releases tomorrow, My Knight trials will be complete by mid November, if no revamp docs, I doubt I will log in again and just let my subscription die (already cancelled). Good thing EQ2 looks like an awesome game, and guild wars, plenty of other games to take up my time.
I can always reinvestigate this game when the next expansion comes out.
Garvin you do rock though.
Raptor2k1
Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:38 pm
#18
OMFG Half-life 2 is actually coming out!!!?!?!? That is not good for my SWG playing
If you think that's crazy, TFC2 is actually going to come out. 
garvin
Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:55 am
#20
When I need a break I log into City of Heroes (Triumpth Server) and play my my mutant tanker Armaged'n...he beats stuff up real good...lol...
I'm looking forward to checking out WOW when it comes out...looks interesting...
PS...big secret here...even the Devs occassionally play other games when they need a break (breaks are good)...And from what I hear, some seriously kick butt at a few of the games...Tiggs is rumored to be an excellent PvP player in several different MMOs...
DefenderGrey
Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:44 am
#21
Skeptic666 wrote:I have lost my faith in Commando a long time ago sad to say. I come here to read any good news and there are hardly any posts any more Ive seen tumbelweeds roll accross this forum most days. I hear Garvins words that once brought me great hope just sound like the wind blowing. I am sorry I mean no offense to you Garvin I have just heard you and TH say wait wait wait. I have waited to long. My patiance has left. I am still a master commando. I am going to play JTLS becuase the bases of it is blowing stuff up. And come on that is why we are commando right?So I will play JTLS probably for a month or 3 depending what they add and how board I get with the grinding. By then I hope the Revamp balance or upgrade what ever the hell they are calling it is out other wise I will be leaving.And ya ya who cares another whiny commando bites the dust no biggy I know. But still come on. For the love of god. This is in no way how to run a business. Piss off your cash cow. Lets see how much longer this cow gives you his milk.I am almost ready to go and copy past some really bad posts and hit it on every single forum I can right before I leave so when they ban me I can say I was banned for speaking my mind instead of giving up.
I feel the same ...I was a master creature handler and when we where nerfed almost a YEAR ago we where told "but wait for the revamp and all will be ok". Well I waited and waited and waited and after 6 months of waiting i dropped master creature handler ( its been almost a year now and you hardly every see a MCH anymore...hmm wonder why????...lol).
Soon I will drop this game if the revamp does not show up within a few months of the release of JTLS :C
TennerRavenstar
Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:06 am
#22
Well, I had really planned to just slip out quietly, but since this thread is already going I guess I’ll add my 2 credits worth to the mix.
I haven’t been playing SWG for sometime now, though my accounts are still active (my GF uses them). Like so many others players (commandoes or otherwise), I used to wait and wait for improvements and fixes, for the combat rebalance, revamp, upgrade or whatever. However in the end I decided to give it up and move on for several reasons.
The vaporware revamp.
I know a lot of people feel that ‘this time it’s for real’. But we’ve been down that road several times before. To me it doesn’t matter anymore what documents, promises and plans the devs have or don’t have, they have shown us to many times that they cannot commit to making the needed improvements, they cannot consistently communicate with us, their plans, thier timetables and their promises don’t hold. Maybe they will do the combat revamp by March, maybe even sooner, maybe it’ll be another year. We’ve no way of knowing, and the devs are unlikely to let us know if they change their time table along the way.
If they had been maintaining a high level of communication with the players I would be a lot more understanding of slips and them saying things that didnt hold in the long run. But when they rarely even tell anything at all, and on the rare occasions they do, still seem unable to show any kind of conistance between thier words and thier action (or in some cases it seems they are just blatantly feeding us a lie to shut us up), Ilose faith in the ability of the development team.
I haven’t been playing SWG for sometime now, though my accounts are still active (my GF uses them). Like so many others players (commandoes or otherwise), I used to wait and wait for improvements and fixes, for the combat rebalance, revamp, upgrade or whatever. However in the end I decided to give it up and move on for several reasons.
The vaporware revamp.
I know a lot of people feel that ‘this time it’s for real’. But we’ve been down that road several times before. To me it doesn’t matter anymore what documents, promises and plans the devs have or don’t have, they have shown us to many times that they cannot commit to making the needed improvements, they cannot consistently communicate with us, their plans, thier timetables and their promises don’t hold. Maybe they will do the combat revamp by March, maybe even sooner, maybe it’ll be another year. We’ve no way of knowing, and the devs are unlikely to let us know if they change their time table along the way.
If they had been maintaining a high level of communication with the players I would be a lot more understanding of slips and them saying things that didnt hold in the long run. But when they rarely even tell anything at all, and on the rare occasions they do, still seem unable to show any kind of conistance between thier words and thier action (or in some cases it seems they are just blatantly feeding us a lie to shut us up), Ilose faith in the ability of the development team.
The infamous lack of content.
This one is really more a matter of my personal play style I guess. But even with a solid combat system, why even engage in combat? Why kill a bunch of rancors, nunas or slice hounds? There’s not really much reason to go hunt stuff.. The devs constructed a very impressive and elaborate virtual economy, but it sometimes feels like they forgot to add a motivating factor for playing.
This one is really more a matter of my personal play style I guess. But even with a solid combat system, why even engage in combat? Why kill a bunch of rancors, nunas or slice hounds? There’s not really much reason to go hunt stuff.. The devs constructed a very impressive and elaborate virtual economy, but it sometimes feels like they forgot to add a motivating factor for playing.
Aside from Jedi there is not really anything to work towards, little to aim for aside from a precious few pieces of useful loot here and there. In other MMOG's i've played I felt I was making progress in one form or another when I did something. There was something new just over the next hill that I was looking forward to trying out. Not so in SWG.
What the future holds.
The main reason I’m jumping ship is not so much the revamp itself but the process we’ve been through up until this point. Someone above mentioned the situation creature handlers find themselves in, which I fell illustrates my point very well. The devs changed (or nerfed) Creature Handlers, almost a year ago, putting them in a situation where they were all but useless. This was supposed be a temporary situation 'until the revamp'. We now know that devs then failed to supply the changes that would make CH’s viable again. They have hardly even bothered acknowledging this situation for a year!
What the future holds.
The main reason I’m jumping ship is not so much the revamp itself but the process we’ve been through up until this point. Someone above mentioned the situation creature handlers find themselves in, which I fell illustrates my point very well. The devs changed (or nerfed) Creature Handlers, almost a year ago, putting them in a situation where they were all but useless. This was supposed be a temporary situation 'until the revamp'. We now know that devs then failed to supply the changes that would make CH’s viable again. They have hardly even bothered acknowledging this situation for a year!
This leads me to one obvious, if sad, conclusion. The devs are not committed to ensuring a high quality of game play in a timely manner. I’m sure they (the devs) feel different; I don’t doubt that they are passionate about the game. But passion and commitment or not, they still see fit to leave aspects of the game in such a poor state for so long, in my opinion, speaks for itself. Had it ‘just’ been Creature Handlers I could, to some extent write that off as a mistake, bad planning or whatever. But that’s hardly the case. Squad leadershave been in a sad state since launch, Entertainers still have no viable source of income, The GCW is still a mess.. And the list goes on and on.
If they find it acceptable to leave a class hanging like that for a year, then I’m loathed to have my enjoyment of the game be dependant on their whim. Even if they do pull off a good revamp in a nearby future (and given their track record thus far, I see no reason to expect that, regardless of how good it looks on paper).
Personally I can’t help asking myself, what will happen next time there’s a game braking issue or imbalance? Wait another year? Sit around again with no information or feedback from the developers, hoping somehow that they might surprise us and actually act in a timely fashion and get it right on the first or second try? I can’t accept that, and I won’t subject myself to that kind of frustration again.
Well, I’ll still be lurking on the boards here and other places, but I doubt I’ll be logging into the game again. To those of you who decide to stay with it and hope for improvements, good luck, I do hope my pessimism proves unfounded, but I’ve looked long and hard at what we’ve been through so far, what the developers are telling us and not telling us and when looking at the evidence in front of us I can only expect the worst for the future of SWG.
Well, I’ll still be lurking on the boards here and other places, but I doubt I’ll be logging into the game again. To those of you who decide to stay with it and hope for improvements, good luck, I do hope my pessimism proves unfounded, but I’ve looked long and hard at what we’ve been through so far, what the developers are telling us and not telling us and when looking at the evidence in front of us I can only expect the worst for the future of SWG.
Message Edited by TennerRavenstar on 10-27-2004 09:12 AM
aeuralis
Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:37 am
#23
"PS...big secret here...even the Devs occassionally play other games when they need a break (breaks are good)...And from what I hear, some seriously kick butt at a few of the games...Tiggs is rumored to be an excellent PvP player in several different MMOs..."
THis just shows how screwed up this game is the DEV's cannot stand all the things that are broken and go play other games. IF the DEV's will not play the game, why should we? When the DEV's cease to play the game they stop being able to understand what is broken.
Drimli
Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:19 am
#24
It has been almost a month since I have played. Being a TC person I didn't see much point (with the roll back and all).
I think TC Prime is going to be back up today and I will log in tonight and make my choice - to quit or stick it out.
This game is almost like an old girl friend, so many good and bad times all rolled together that while part of you wants to go back to it (and how it was)it's almost is too painful.
OK enough melodramatic crap from me.
I was thinking last night on my drive home how many good things are in this game, all the crafting, dancers (I mean come on, how cool is it to have a dancer class in a game!), etc. But then my little happy place got ganked by all the broke profs, out of control crap, poorly planned things (buffs, armor, DOT weapons (not ours - loot ones) that make up so much ofthis game.
Will we ever see the revamp? I don't know.
For me, I will wait and see till WOW come out and if I have not seen real progress (not, some vague 'in concept' post but creation of the sand box, time tables) I am gone.
garvin
Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:57 am
#25
aeuralis wrote:
"PS...big secret here...even the Devs occassionally play other games when they need a break (breaks are good)...And from what I hear, some seriously kick butt at a few of the games...Tiggs is rumored to be an excellent PvP player in several different MMOs..."
THis just shows how screwed up this game is the DEV's cannot stand all the things that are broken and go play other games. IF the DEV's will not play the game, why should we? When the DEV's cease to play the game they stop being able to understand what is broken.
LOL...makes me giggle when people take what I say to the extreme...I should have stressed the word "occasionally"...It's like a Ford Technician occasionally drivinga Saturn...Occasionally they (1) want to take a break and do something different...and (2) see what playing other games will do to help inspire ideas for SWG....it's common practice in the MMO industry for the Devs and Programmers to play LOTS of MMOs...It's not because they are Fed up with the game...on the contrary, TH, JustG and Tiggs all play often and I've run into a couple of them ingame several times...
I occasionally play other MMOs...I still love SWG...I don't play CoH because I'm fed up with SWG, I play it because occasionally I need something different...CoH is more mindless then SWG...There aren't any maintenance costs...there aren't any inventories...there is just "beat stuff up"...I use to play Doom and Jedi Knights for the same reasons...whenever I needed a break, I'd go play them...
On the otherhand, when you do feel your frustration getting high, taking a break is a requirement...That's why I advise people to try a different game for awhile before quitting completely...It's nice to take a break, let tensions lower, then come back feeling fresh (especailly after you see all the bugs and issues in other MMOs...sometimes makes SWG look Golden)...
aeuralis
Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:13 am
#26
Garvin, I would like to apoligize. Real life stress has made me overly senstive to things that i would normally not notice. I play SWG to relax and because of the Real-life stress, I started to stress about the game.
I am sorry about the tone of my recent posts, i was venting my frustrations with real life on you and the game.
Now that the cause of stress has passed, i hope to be back to my normal self.