Commando Archive
Thread: World of Jedi, now, Enter the Masters
StarNick wrote:
Then theres folks who are above padawan. It may not be reachable, but there are folks who have it (original point)...
MsNiL wrote:
Knight is just an empty title today. All "finished templates" are worth 226k, padawan or not.
"Finished Templates" and "Jedi Knights" are two different things though, as anyone with 210 skill points in Jedi would have qualified for their Knight Trials.
As for Empty Title, though cmon. EMPTY? Have you ever seen a Peko Peko Albetross, enranged Kimogila? Give us some credit, we did do the trails and WE are Jedi Knights.
MsNiL wrote:
StarNick wrote:
Then theres folks who are above padawan. It may not be reachable, but there are folks who have it (original point)...
Knight is just an empty title today. All "finished templates" are worth 226k, padawan or not.
There maybe 'padawans' with a Knight title, but you are missing the point. They are full templates and would be Knights in the FRS if it were active. If there was a FRS and a Knight had no rank yet... their ain't a real difference. A Knight is still a Knight without the FRS if full templated.... The padawan they are now is a technicallity. When he said he fought two knights... he did. Seems like you are trolling trying to spur an argument over a technical detail.
Message Edited by Knightcrest on 06-06-2005 05:48 PM
OldManDog wrote:
"Finished Templates" and "Jedi Knights" are two different things though, as anyone with 210 skill points in Jedi would have qualified for their Knight Trials.
As for Empty Title, though cmon. EMPTY? Have you ever seen a Peko Peko Albetross, enranged Kimogila? Give us some credit,we did do the trails and WE are Jedi Knights.
StarNick wrote:
Then theres folks who are above padawan. It may not be reachable, but there are folks who have it (original point)...
no, its kind of like calling Bill Clinton "Mr. President" still
he was the president before the big change, he is no longer the pres, he does not have the powers of the president.
they did let him keep his title though.
The Force Ranking System is turned off and consequently any bonus powers do not exist. you got beat by padawans. there are no knights, just ex-fightclubbers =P
Knightcrest wrote:
There maybe 'padawans' with a Knight title, but you are missing the point. They are full templates and would be Knights in the FRS if it were active. If there was a FRS and a Knight had no rank yet... their ain't a real difference. A Knight is still a Knight without the FRS if full templated.... The padawan they are now is a technicallity. When he said he fought two knights... he did. Seems like you are trolling trying to spur an argument over a technical detail.Message Edited by Knightcrest on 06-06-2005 05:48 PM
incorrect. there is a big differnce. Force ranked knights get robes with higher force regeneration rates. they get bonuses to saber block and all sort of other skills. dark knights get save a ton of force on powers. light knights get sweet force armor...
there is a big difference. any knight you fight now is just a padawan with an ego
OldManDog wrote:
Hey, I don't think you want to go THERE. Curtainly not Pre-CU because for all the 4000 commandos grinding FS, There were three 0040 commandos/MTK.... One Line Made the Profession, and if we wanted +25 more speed and acc, we'd have Master Commando. Which IMO was a waste of plenty of skill points. 14 just counting the Acid rifle line
killed both of them unbuffed with a flamethrower.
OldManDog wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Knight is just an empty title today. All "finished templates" are worth 226k, padawan or not.
"Finished Templates" and "Jedi Knights" are two different things though, as anyone with 210 skill points in Jedi would have qualified for their Knight Trials.
As for Empty Title, though cmon. EMPTY? Have you ever seen a Peko Peko Albetross, enranged Kimogila? Give us some credit, we did do the trails and WE are Jedi Knights.
StarNick wrote:
Then theres folks who are above padawan. It may not be reachable, but there are folks who have it (original point)...
PreCU:
Full template "Jedi Padawan" (i.e. 225K skill points in Jedi profession) = "Jedi Knight"....Different title, and the Knight has better looking robes...
Then, thru what some people is called exploiting or otherwise known as Fight Clubs, Jedi were able to progress thru the FRS (Force Ranking System) and gain different robes, titles, and extra force....Unfortunately, the only way to level in the FRS was to have fight clubs (and to have MBH's take your mission, then kill them - which incidentally is what a rebel guild on Ahazi did).
The devs knew about it, declared it NOT an exploit...But what people dont like, they call exploit or bug...
So whatever...take that for what it is worth...
PostCU:
FRS is turned off...Cant even wear the robes, but you can STILL have the title of Jedi Master, provided you never ever took it off....Its similar to people keeping theRogue title from Smuggler, yet not having a single tree in Smuggler...
Full template "Jedi Padawan" = "Jedi Knight" = "Jedi Master"
Assuming what someone is basis their "title" is about the dumbest thing you can do...So if you see that "Novice Marksman" in full assault armor holding a T21, dont assume he's a "Novice Marksman".
Right now, there is NOTHING above padawan...Just a title.....
Kyodor wrote:
Jedi is a good healer.
Damage wise they're terrible;
Defence is good with Master Defender;
Powers is "meh" - it's only good for a handful of powers;
Enhancer is for dabbling.
Jedi and Commando fill different roles. Commando can actually outdamage Jedi.
Just to go a little further for clarification...
What you said is true...
Jedi are the best healers in the game...No doubt....Without the healing, they/we'd die very very quickly
Master Defenders actually work..They have defenses that are just above a TKM/(insert melee prof)...But they do have avoid incap, which costs a ton of force (which regens VERY slowly), and temporary CoB...
Powers will be goodafter they fix the action/force costs...Its very weak right now, but soon will be equal to MLS. But even MLS falls short of say, a Master Commando in terms of damage (1200 damage in a hit with a saber, before any mitigation/armor/etc, more than 1500 damage with my flamer using advanced quickdraw)...Not to mention the action costs...
Jedi arent the powers that people think they are. Yes, they are difficult to take down, but its done (I've done it with my Commando/Pistoleer several times in healing allowed duels, and taken several high level (i.e. completed temp Jedi) on more than one occasion). What it takes, is time, and patience. It might take you 5 minutes, 10 minutes, even 15..But its possible. People just dont take the time to LEARN their profession and what each attack can do. People see a Jedi heal for 1500 damage over and over and go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! NERF THE JEDI!!! but fail to realize that everytime they heal, they use force, which regenerates VERY VERY SLOWLY.
But people are lazy. People are ignorant. People are stupid.
MrAndrson wrote:First of all, I'm on Bria.Jedi are everywhere, having fun, dueling, enjoying the Parks, Caves, etc, you know what I'm talking about.They should not be complaining, they are everywhere in the game doing stuff. They complain about other professions and about Bounty Hunters. They complain about their powers not being strong enough. Now let me say, I am in the Village and want a Jedi character but I also know whats fair is fair, Commando is broken, bad. Jedi get fixes right away. More than one in fact. Yet Commando is some step child profession. (No offense to step children-you know what I'm saying).Now, in a few days, I'm starting to see the inevitable, you know its true too. Master Jedi. I'm already running in to them. With the system now, its going to happen, more will come. And fixes for them will come. What kind of Customer Service is this when its obvious the Commando profession is broken and it's ignored. The issues the issues.....Agro stick weapons, built-in specials that don't know they are built in, weak weapons, broken nades, unwelcome in groups, etc. I am also a Master Rifleman and thats what I use to have fun, as a Rifleman, I can.... group hunt, go into dungeons, parks, solo- if I'm careful, get loot on my own, do damage with the help of a melee player, umm, I can actually have fun cause it works. Commando....well you all know.Jedi are overtaking the game, and soon, more Masters will be around. Knights will group with Masters for protection and will increase. Its easier for them now. I also seeJediusing T-21 rifles to help them hunt stuff.Fix Commando, and not just a "Do a weak fix to shut them up" kinda fix. Fix what is known to be wrong. Fix the other really broken ones also, Ranger, and the crafting professions too./Anger off
True Jedi aren't invincible. But who honestly wants to fight a Jedi for 10 minutes or more?
I thought the average PvP duel was to be 2-3 minutes. Not 5 or 10. I'd rather have Jedi who hurt me, rather then ones who can heal, and heal, and heal and last forever. It's hard to figure out what Jedi can be, are they to be master tank healers, master damage folks. They also make Doctors and CM useless ya know. I'm just saying. And yes I know that it depends on which trees you go up, so not everyone is a Master Defender.