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Thread: My first real taste of defeat as a Master Commando

lauranna
Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:50 pm
#14

Hey shivo...in case you dident notice your a commando...so if your not doing alot of damage...try changing weaponsyou cant expect to walk around with one weapon and kill everything.


I solo bull rancors and enraged rancors.....im pistoleer 3-4-4-4 guess what their weakness is acid hello dx2 and bang...not a prob....(im buffed of course)


Ya gotta learn to find an enemys weakness and dare i say exploit it.



PS i would have changed to a nice laser rifle....






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Raptor2k1
Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:23 pm
#15

"Ya gotta learn to find an enemys weakness and dare i say exploit it."


Sure! We'll just swtich to our super-useful HAR or launcher pistol. Problem solved! Right?




Kyeran Halkyon

Master Gunfighter and Demolitionist of the Old Republic Navy
SWG Commando Forum


Aalamyen
Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:49 pm
#16

HEY I never said I wanted this game to be EQ, if I wanted EQ I would play EQ. I was using that as an example. This game is still under construction and they FIXED commando and now they are tweaking it so we can kill EVERYTHING, are there still godly professions? YES but they are going at it step by step and its just selfish to whine because you cant kill everything in the game. Thats really lame to compare it since commandos have been rather godly for a goos while now and a bunch of crack commandos have joined in just to be gods and then they get upset when they get balanced. All the professions are going to be balanced in good time and they were starting with commando since maybe it was one of the worst cases.



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Aalamyen
Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:52 pm
#17

and also lifylos, I have YET to see a pikeman be able to solo anything on endor. I quit commando for pikeman- i'd know. PIKEMAN is a profession that needs help. On average you can miss around 3 times before hitting and the HAM is so high you are practically incapped. And thats on average (I missed 14 times in a row once and got incapped)



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Raptor2k1
Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:01 pm
#18

"YES but they are going at it step by step and its just selfish to whine because you cant kill everything in the game."


Ok, first of all, almost nothing you'll hear from most of us is selfish whining. We have many legitimate gripes at the moment. 3/4 of our trees are a waste of skill points. We can't kill anything armored in PvP save by hitting an armor hole. Anything buffed with armor in PvP flat out owns us. Due to our long delay, we have lower DPS than any other combat profession (maddogs has recently run tests with Pikeman, and yes, we're even lower then them on DPS.)


The FT is far from god mode, and the only time it came close to this was when the DoT's stacked and hit for full force - and even then it wouldn't save you from many high end mobs on its own. As it is now, any creature/NPC with high fire resistance flat out owns us - since we have nothing else to attack it with.


None of us ever wanted a god mode, we wanted to be working commandos whose skills reflect the title (and skillpoints)we claim. Hardened, efficient, skilled soldiers - experts of ranged combat.


Is that really too much to ask for?




Kyeran Halkyon

Master Gunfighter and Demolitionist of the Old Republic Navy
SWG Commando Forum


La-grange
Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:29 pm
#19

Could be worse. Go carbineer.



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WookieSlayerJim
Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:21 pm
#20

YOU JUST DONT GET IT. SOME CLASSES WERE NOT MENT TO KILL CERTAIN ANIMALS!



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Aalamyen
Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:10 pm
#21






La-grange wrote:
Could be worse. Go carbineer.






thats exactly my point. Commando has its issues but its still playable and fun if you know how to play it. There are a lot worse professions that need a turn with the devs attention. I am happy commando weapons can NOT miss and hit for me than 200 damage. And commandos are still good in pvp, especially if you get pistoleer skills- then use a LP (lot of armor I have seen has low blast resists) and knock the crap out of people. I totally agree that HAR is completely useless and you have to MAKE nades fun, and support weapons are just useless and expensive.


SWG is still in BETA and needs a lot of fixes, every profession is screwed in one way or another but currently there are some that are just painful to play and i dont think this is one of them. *hopefully* with the 'combat revamp' we'll get some fixes. I just hate hearing people whine because they can't solo a VERY hard mob on a high level planet.




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ArkanIrami
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:13 am
#22

Aalamyen, the point is we should not have to get pistoleer to be effective.W e are at this moment investing 162 skillpoints in a profession that has only one viable weapon, and that weapon is now worthless in high level pvsp. Tactics have nothing to do with it when other professions outdamage us easily by a factor of 3 or 4.

Some numbers: Assuming 12000 initial damage /flamesingle2 (this is the current number for fairly good fts)


Now lets say your opponent has 70% heat resist (average resist, many on my server have much better.)


Pvsp mitigation 12000*0.25=3000


AP0 versus light armro mitigation 3000*0.5=1500


Resist mitigation 1500*0.3=450


Average delay on flame specials is 10 seconds, DoT ticks for 10% of initial damage, 45. I didn't factor in range mitigation 3, as I am tired and can't find the formula. Soooo assuming you take 2 shotsand they both land (lol) you could do 945 damage in 10 seconds. Probably around 750 after mitigation 3. Also keep in mind that we have to be in melee range to fire these off, that wonderful place where you get a free kd or 10 upon admission. I've posted these numbers on a couple threads now, everyone just ignores them and keeps arguing the same point over and over again (initial damage 12k!!rockets are a one hit incap!!)..maybe this thread will be different.


In AH today a commando got a hit in through my armor hole and did 3k damage. He then started shouting that his ft did 3k damage to a guy wearing armor. It's things like this that will bring the nerf bat down on us again and again...TH has already said that he believes the FT to be among the most powerful, if not the most powerful weapon in the game POST PATCH. Maybe after fire extinguishers are put in the nerfs will stop...or maybe not.



Arkan Irami, Retired MSF Co-Leader
ArkanIrami
Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:08 am
#23

*sigh*



Arkan Irami, Retired MSF Co-Leader
DarkLurker
Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:04 pm
#24

unless your mastering some artisan or non combat profession, you have enough skill points to master commando and another combat profession. Build on your weakness. TKM seems to be the most common partner, but you can also master pistoleer (to take better advantage of the LP), Rifleman or carbineer. Build your character up more, you cant rely only on your FT.



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Sheevo
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:39 pm
#25

The Commando is supposed to be a Heavy WeaponS expert. Right now they are a Heavy Weapon expert. With as many pre-requisite skill points needed (ALL COMBAT) we should be able to use more than on e weapon effectively. I give up....



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Lifylos
Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:54 am
#26






Aalamyen wrote:
and also lifylos, I have YET to see a pikeman be able to solo anything on endor. I quit commando for pikeman- i'd know. PIKEMAN is a profession that needs help. On average you can miss around 3 times before hitting and the HAM is so high you are practically incapped. And thats on average (I missed 14 times in a row once and got incapped)






I'm a Pikeman now. I solo Everything on Endor. Im not even master. Maybe you just suck. *shrug*



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