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Thread: ok i am seriously pissed at soe. rangers getting commando -type abilities? what the heck????

tacwraith
Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:01 pm
#1

what is this idiocy?


they get FLASHBANG grenades, MINES, remotely detonated explosives.



THAT IS COMMANDO NOT RANGER dangit.


The entire antipersonel devices and traps skillset should be part of commando not ranger!!!!!



Im veryhappy for rangers in the upgrades they getting but thisone skillset is fubar for them. give them a branch more RANGER like. heck the tracking line was the ONLY good line rangershad and onlyneeded ENCHANCEMENTS and it wouldfit in PERFECTLY with the other new ranger skills.







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StarNick
Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:52 pm
#2

A few of us have been voicing this in the ranger thread that TH posted...as well as a point I brought up in the Corro forums.

If they do indeed get this, hopefully we'll be recieving major love to our grenade system as well as "better" explosives...



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Electro5
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:35 pm
#3

As far as I see it, in this game Ranger is going to be about stealth, and Commando is about bringing the big firepower to bear. Setting stealth mines just doesn't seem very commando-ish to me in the context of this game.


Effeciently setting up concealed explosives would require concealment knowledge, which the Commando profession lacks. Getting more explosives would be great for Commando, but preferably in the form of active weaponry (long range ballistic type weaponry, better grenade type weapons, maybe even limited bomber airstrikes) rather than passive stuff like mines.





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StarNick
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:44 pm
#4

The perspective that Im coming from:

Rangers can set up mines. Rangers can blow up mines. Mine would thus be powerful, since these are a part of traps which helps Ranger's with their combat abilities.

Now...our equilvency in explosives are our grenades. Which really aren't that useful or damaging right now.

This is how I see it, if rangers are to get mines:

1) Commandos have the ability to chuck them and cause damage

2) Rangers have the ability to lay traps (a la Governator in Predator, think of us like the other Governator with the massive chaingun), including mines, which are static.

Go Commando-Ranger, you then have the ability to throw and lay explosives, and hence expand your explosives. If rangers get explosives that are far more useful and superior to our own, thats just another nail in the coffin of "Why Bother?" in regards to our profession. We don't want to have to go ranger now, like we do with ranged professions for damage, if we wanted to have good explosives...when they should already be in our profession.

Its not so much of a "they got something better", its a "we don't want to be left in the dust" type situation. Although it *would* be nice if we got Demo-charges...ie run up to a turret, lay a demo-charge then haul booty a la Han Solo when he destroyed the endor shield generator. Now THATs a commando.



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LecheHombre
Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:10 pm
#5

Yeah, the ranger revamp seems to have some stuff that would fit well with commando, some stuff that would fit well with smuggler, and very little that fits my perception of "ranger". I must admit that my vision of ranger is much more suitable for a fantasy setting than sci-fi though.

I kinda like the idea for the revamped ranger prof as far as how it would fit into the game as a whole, but it does seem rather odd to boost it with stuff that would go really well in Commando and Smuggler when Commando is in need of a revamp in its own right, and Smuggler needs some attention and specific content thrown its way too. Especially when the "new ranger" is a complete opposite focus compared to the current system.



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tacwraith
Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:28 pm
#6

not enough skillpoints for commando-ranger to be of any use.



at best you can be master commando and 3 branches of ranger. but then youre stuck with zero freaking special attacks. better hope people trip into them traps then!



if they reduce ranger skillpoint requirement then whats the point? BH's will just gain an ungodly massive boost in power and commando will once again... as always.... be insignificant.








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RagNoRock5x
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:48 pm
#7

Ranger will mostlikely be gitting a skill point reduction in pre-reqs.


It will probly have simmilar pre-reqs to BH. (1 line Scout and the Ranged support line of Marksman)


Also since ranger is becoming more combat oreanted ranger might get some weapon specials and thus mixing Commando, Ranger and 1 line of a nother ranged profesion.


Also I belive that now they have put the coding into the game for remote explosives and such that commando might get some more powerfull ones rather soon




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tacwraith
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:47 pm
#8

thats even worse.



now commando with zero specials will be outperformed by rangers with traps. mixing commando and ranger will be as useful as commando and master musician. no specials, just lots of good looking exploding stuff (though i bet ranger bombs will dramatically outdamage our grenades..you just wait and see).








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'But why is Fantasia dying then?'
'Because people have begun to loose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the nothing grows stronger. It's the emptiness that's left. It's like a despair, destroying this world. And I have been trying to help it.'
'But why?'
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blacke
Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:12 pm
#9

With these changes and the comming ones to smuggler that are in concept, we are getting more and more leverage for a fullfledge revamp. And I hope to God almighty that SOE listens to the community that one time.






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rixo1
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:12 am
#10

uhhhgg well hope fully we can get some tweaking in soon to long has this proff been sitting in limbo!



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RagNoRock5x
Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:00 am
#11

Yes there traps will mostlikely outdamage our greanades to begin with.



However after we get changed and (Hopefully) get HIGH damage explosives and such we would out damage the ranger traps however ranger traps will be applying de-buffs to the enemy (Movement, Accuracy and Defence).





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MsNiL
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:08 am
#12

Yay! Great, finally the Commando revamp! Yay!


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tacwraith
Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:26 am
#13

Starnick,


What really worries me is that SOE is giving a lot of power to these proffessions. SL... Ranger.. Smuggler (you bet they will be given good stuff)...


by the time they get around to commando (which being a realist i bet its going to be a heck of a long time. I think commando will be among the last to get revamped) they will have created too many proffessions that already give too much power. Then commando, the supposed heavy hitter will be looked upon and they will say: oh theres too much power out there that commando can mix their proffession with so lets revamp them into a utility proffession.


which is im sure, exactly what happened when theyredesigned the proffession skillsets inthe CU.


IMO we should push to be the next proffession revamped after ranger. Smugglers got a massive revamp in the CU that turned them into a combat proffession. Sure they still lack their 'smuggling' flavor content..but hey, commando LACKS content AND damage AND role AND its weapons are totally FUBAR. We should be priority.




'Foolish boy. Don't you know anything about Fantasia? It's the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it, is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefor, it has no boundaries.'
'But why is Fantasia dying then?'
'Because people have begun to loose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the nothing grows stronger. It's the emptiness that's left. It's like a despair, destroying this world. And I have been trying to help it.'
'But why?'
'Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has control has the power'
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