Commando Archive

I WILL TYPE IN CAPS BEACAUSE I AM SHOUTING, JUST DO YOU ALL KNOW.

FIRST I HAVE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED TO BE A COMMANDO BE4 I GOT THE GAME, A WEKK AFTER IT CAME OUT I GOT IT. AND NOW THAT IM A COMMANDO, THE ONLY SO CALLED "USEFULL" SKILL IS THE FLAME THROWER TREE. WELL FIRST OFF THE FT TREE SUCKS. SECOND OUR AIM WITHT HE CURSED THING IS HORRIBLE. NOW THE WAIT I CAN DEAL WITH, BUT WHEN I HAVE TO AIM TO GET SHOTS THAT WILL ACTUALLY HIT, IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

SECOND THE DAMAGE WAS TOTALLY TAKEN DOWN? WHY??????? BECAUSE A FEW BABY WINERS R CRYING OVER IT???????? OMG IT JUST REALLY PISSES ME OFF THAT PEOPLE CRY ABOUT THIS B/C THEY R TIRED OF LOSING. I CANT BELIEVE HOW BAD OUR DAMGED WAS REDUCED. THIS IS TOTALL BS TOTAL BS!!!!!!!!!

THIRDALL THE OTHER SKILLS IN OUR TREE ARE USELESS UNLESS YOU FIX THEM, THE ACID RIFLE AINT OWRTH JACK SQUAT! GRENADES HAVE A CRAPPY ATTACK ALSO, AND HEAVY WEAPONS ALSO SUCKS.

FOURTH THAT WHOLE UNARMED THING, YEA SUCH BS! I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY USELESS!!!!!!!!! I DONT KNOW ONE SINGLE COMMANDO WHO HAS TKA ON THE SIDE. MOST OF THEM R SMUGGELRS, AND ONLY B/C OF THAT CRAPPY UNARMED SKILL.

5. OK YOU SEE IN THE REAL WORLD FIRE USUALLY BURNS PEOPLE AND THEN THEY DIE! THEY DIE! SO ALL THIS COMPLAINING OVER THE FT BEIN TO STRONG IS TOTAL CRAP, NOW I UNDERSTAND 1 HIT KILLS AND EVEN 2 HIT KILLS, ARE A BIT OUTTA LINE, BUT THREE HITS THREE HIST IS ALL IT SHOULD TAKE IN PVP AND ABOUT 1-2 PVE! I GET KILLED BY BLUE CIRLCED EPOPLE WHEN I USE MY FT! ITS EMBARASSING, LIKE I JUST GOT SLAUGHTERED BY A DEW BACK TODAY, I HAD FULL ADV. COMPSITE ARMOR ON AND I WAS HYPED UP ON NUTRON PICIE, AND I TOOK IT BE4 I STARTED WITH THE THING. WANNA KNOW WHY I LOST????? ACCURACY AND DAMAGE SUCK!!!!!!!

SO IF ANY BODY WANTS TO HAVE THE REAL PROFESSION OF THE COMANDO THEY WILL SIGN THIS OR SUMTHIN N HOPEFULLY THE DEVS WILL TAKE WORD TO THIS OR SUMTHIN,

BUT IN OREDER FOR THE PROFESSION TO GET BACK IN ORDER THINGS MUST HAPPEN, AND THESE THINGS R

1. fix the damage on all weapons

2. fix accuracy on all wepaons

3. take out unarmed unless we can use it as a commando and not a tka

4. put the damge up in pve

5. stop listening to these whiners who do this all day fopr a living, i have a lil 10 year old bro. hes pretty good at it.

6. listen to the people, not the whiners! aka the comandos, and other people. pay no attention to people who cpmplain but suggest. yes i know im whining right now but its because our profeesion is flippin messed up

7. fix other skills in the other trees

8. fix the **edit** gfrenades!

any other input would be good here, if your jsut gonna complain dont even bother i will just ignore you, suggestions would also be good tyhank oyu all for your time

woa ok i know i have many spelling errors in there, woa its late, 3 am, **edit**

hey man we are all frustrated, heck i feel the same way and im a master commando. MASTER, and i get smoked by a housepet. I feel the pain and embarassment, but I am not sure a ranting flame is going to get things fixed (no offence, it taking allot of deep breatinhg on my part to be level headed). Patience is a virtue, you were patient to get commando, and a little more patience and we wil have this problem solved, be it for better or worse.

So I think we all ned to just relax and do what the devs want, think of constructive critisim, and Viable options to what has been done.

I feel your pain man, and yeah 3am will wreak havoc on ya, get soem sleep, you deserve it!

Well i do agree with most of your post, even though i'm not really sure i like how you presented it. It's true we are messed up right now. The problem was that everyone was running to commando because the flamethrower was the elite weapon of the month. There is much much more to the commando then the flamethrower. Although right now it doesnt seem like it.

Heavy weapons are very very expensive to use on an everyday basis. The accuracy is horrible on them. There was talk about making them even worse against small targets and humanoid creatures. What does that leave us with. Not a heck of alot. Gernades are fun, but as with the other weapons, accuracy and range is horrible. The acid rifle is just plain broken with the mods not stacking or carrying over. It's basically an underdeveloped flamethrower. Ohh yea, we get a launcher pistol, but we have to take pistoleer or smuggler to actually do anything with it. We get a total of 2 types of specials with the flamethrower and the acid rifle. Both are within 16m of the target. Now we take a 2.5X damage modifier against any kind of melee. This makes using them suicide on any kind of MOB which we can't kill in one shot.

People are so quick to complain about the commando and how great we are. Have any of these people actually played one. NO!! If they did they wouldn't be so quick to whine and complain about us. Before you complain about us, try walking a bit in our shoes. You will find out that it's not as glamorous as it looks. There is more out there than just PvP. But that's what everyone seems to remember us for. How do you think we are supposed to afford the nice heavy weapons. They aren't cheap you know. We need to run destroy missions to pay for them. What does that involve, You guessed it, PvE and not PvP like everyone seems to be complaining about.

So in conclusion, I would like to say, until you play a commando, don't complain about us. There is more to this class than one hit kills in PvP.

Inoch,

The master Trando Commando

heh...

the passion

the intensity

i love it, his deranged little post has somehow combined almost everything ive felt about commando since i got it in one rage-filled post

kudos

now, i must say that all i really want is:

HAR fixed with new tree

grenade tree to have more bonuses

adding an unarmed aspect to commandos (i grinded my ass off to get unarmed 4, myself and every other commando with field tactis 1 and higher deserve some unarmed specialties)

thus making master commando worth while

Neasek Estia - Shadowfire

First off, posting an all-caps thread which you have obviously not put any thought or effort into will NOT get the devs to listen to you. Nor will it net your ideas much if any truly positive attention. You will succeed only in making yourself look like a whiny, sniveling, 13 year old kid (not that those three traits always go together, to be sure; I know plenty of pleasant teenagers).

People seem to forget the way we came to be where we currently are. Remember back when Commando weapons sucked utterly and completely, when we honestly could not do enough direct damage to take out a Durni in single combat? Perhaps you weren't here then (and it really doesn't matter if you were or weren't), but the way the Commando community got its holy grail of patches was NOT through posts such as this. The method was through playtesting, patience, compiled and verified citations of how bad our weapons were verse "similar" weapons of other professions, and through well-thought-out, reasonable lists of what the Commando community thought Commandos should be. I'm not talking the ists that say "Commandos should be able to kill Krayts in one shot", but rather the lists that suggest reasonable, balanced targets on what we thought Commandos should have. In return for our patience and assistance the devs smiled on us and blessed us withthe best PvE class out there, with the potential to be an unstoppable force onthe PvE battlefield through proper employment of Creature Handling, Medic, Smuggling, or armor. Yes, we still had problems, but the past has shown that patience and determination coupled with rational thought and coherent presentation of ideas will out in the end. My favorite relevant quote would be "Time flows like a river, and history repeats." Take heart and be patient, the devs will fix it in the end if you only have the patience and determination tohelp them know what needs to be done and aid in that process.

Now, as far as your co-called points are concerned:

1) The FT tree does not in any way suck. It never has, and it still doesn't. Taken as a whole, it is the single- (or perhaps second-) most powerful combat tree in the game. It is, I have found, the only tree with moves capable of defeating the heaviest of enemies if it is given time to act properly. About accuracy:So? Speed and accuracy are the tradeoffs for the damage you can do through proper employment of your weapons. Don't like how much you miss? Remember, the /aim commando from the Ranged Support trees of marksman IS compatible with any (ranged) attack. Use it well. I strongly encourage any commando who complains of accuracy troubles to create macros which do /aim;/<attacknamehere> and see how much they miss. /aim is largely unnecessary for normal attacks, but it is a great boon for specials.

2) The damage was not affected by the patch much if at all. I've found no damage decrease whatsoever post-update, or if there is one, it's too small to notice. I've checked this damage with all Flamethrower direct-damage specials, Flamethrower DoT attacks, Heavy Weaponry Strikes, and Grenade Strikes (I've not tested HAR since the update). I could have lucked out and hit on the new high end of the damage range, but I doubt it.

3) The HAR is truly not worth much compared to the flamethrower, not when you consider the DoT effect of the flamer. However, Grenades and Heavy Weapons are far from useless. They are decently accurate at higher levels and have the ability to do massive damage very quickly, not to mention allowing you to select from a hugely varied plate of damage types, whch allows you to choose a weapon to suit your enemy's weakness.

4) The Unarmed requirement of Commando seems to be mostly a skillpoint sink. However, it is not useless. Teras Kasi Meditation and Precision lines are invaluable to any player. Precision will give you considerable defensive modifiers, which are more important than ever with Commando. Meditation will allow yu to heal your own bleeding/poison/disease anywhere you like, but more importantly, it allows you to heal your own wounds wherever you like. Admittedly, grinding the XP necessary is a pain, however it is well worth it in the end. ForceOfWill is also an excellent ability which allows you to get up from Incapacitation instantly but also sets your HAM to 1. Great for escaping bad situations in the field.

5) Get your facts straight. Losing to a dewback has nothing to do with accuracy and damage, it is purely the 2.5x melee damage modifier coupled with broken armor. The 2.5 modifier is a well-known and much-hated issue with Commandos which we have been workingtowardhaving removedfrom the moment we discovered it.

As to your final listing of issues:

One, two and three I have already adressed.

Four: Thisis just stupid; we do excellent damage in PvP if you know how to use it. Since we can't take the hits right now, invest in a Mountain Krevol or something to tank for you and quit whining.

Five: There's no call to say this whatsoever, and you basically come out and admit it should win the "hypocritical statement of the year" award "Don't listen to whining people except when I'M the one whining!" Great philosophy </me rolls eyes>.

Six: [See Five]

Seven: The only messed up one is Acid Rifle, and even then it's not THAT messed up... it's more a question of modifiers working improperly.

Eight: Besides needing a slight modification to accuracy, there's nothing wrong with them whatsoever.

Get a clue, remember our past, then come back and make a difference as opposed to wasting storage space on the boards.

Cracker, you honeslty must be smoking something powerful there - the lowest post-patch flamesingle 2 shot I've had on an unarmoredmob I didn't set up was 6000-ish. The lowest post-patch heavy weapons shot I've gotten post patch on an unarmored opponent was 10,000. Admittedly, I am using the best of the best weaponry, but still.

The acid rifle is a perfectly good weapon with the exception of the delay times, something which having the speed mods fixed would resolve greatly.

Like I said, accuracy is a tradeoff for power,same as speed. If you don't like that you miss, try dropping a stance, or better yet, using /aim religiously.

Grenade accuracy is definately messed up, but they're not too utterly horrible if you follow ideal ranges religiously.

If you think flamethrowers are the only good weapon, you're obviously using the remainder of your weapons incorrectly - I admit, flamethrower is the BEST weapon we have in terms of versatility and power-to-investment, but the expendables all have their uses. Yes, I have used every commando weapon for a time, at least. I'm one of those mashchistic fools who actually leveled the acid rifle tree by using the acid rifle instead of whoring the flamethrower. It's not a GREAT weapon, but it is viable in some situations.

As to whining, "the end does not justify the means."

dude no you are so toatlly wrong, i think all your stuff is sliced, you see my ft is unsliced, and it is horrible, before one of those patches i heard of commandos going out n teams of three and hunting krayts. some only with flame 1. and one with a master medic on the side. now why the hell cant a few freinds and i 2 `avengers, a pistoleer, bio engineer, a master doctor, and myself a commando who at the time had no flame 1, and was still trying to get xp. we worked as a team and to my dismay i dint hit the thing once. and i used aim too. n its my luck that i get killed......... **edit**????? now i know every one is entitled to their opinions, but man we r just horrible, and untill this is fixed we will always suck

If you only have flame1, yes, your accuracy sucks... you might have mentioned that litle fact. You can't possibly expect to hit with any regularity until at least Flame2, but most likely you won't find yourself connecting regularly until Flame3.

A note: slicing has no bearing on accuracy whatsoever.

Check the skill mods at Flame3 and you'll see what a big jump your accuracy mod takes. Do your research before you whine, you can't expect to be a god with a weapon at what is essentially the Novice level. Beginner commandos such as yourself should be using the Launcher Pistol to gain their experience until they get Flame2 at the earliest since the Launcher Pistol is considered a pistol for all intents and purposes, so it recieves all the Pistol mods you recieved in the Marksman trees.

well you know what accuracy shouldnt have to pick up till flame 3 when ur special attacks r 16m away!!!!!! im usually 10 or 12 m away and flame 1 ALWAYS MISSES!!!!! now tell me, this is a heavy wepaon thatis so called classified as a "close ranged weapon" and you cant hit jack sqaut when ur close enought to use your special. **edit**?????????? am i missing somthing here?

ok ................settle.......................lol.....jk

look.....I used to whine and complain to no end about the misses; I used to count to 8 sometimes 10 TIMES! before a hit................BUT IT GETS BETTER!

As of right now I can bum rush stormtrooper camps and still take on torton's; yes if you miss you better be prepared for that miss; I eat before each charge, (bug on secondary stats right now) and do specials on each shot; I also wear 54% electricity resist's and 48% on the rest (composite) and I take Muon Gold,Pixie, andshadowpaw when PvP.......most of the time I will not drug up unless a big battle or outnumbered;but the key is KEEP PLUGGIN AT IT MY MAN it does get better; the melee dam. will change and when they decide to do something with our pellet gun (acid rifle) and the ideas coming from the forum as far as un-armed and such this class will ROCK..............

If you are a starting commando then stick to PvE destroy missions; and dont wear armor at all except maybe foot armor; and allways eat and drink before battle.Playing PvP or PvEright now at low or even mid-level is fun but is much better with speed up and accuracy. But you have to grind, grind, and more grindin for XP. You will see a bigdifference, esp. when your speeds and accuracy are up then youcan wear that armor and stuff.

As far as the LP (hairdryer, Lag Pistol, whatever) this gun is somethin else with pistoleer skills, a slice, and a good upgrade.....I currently am 0-2-0-2 in Pistoleer and cannot wait to see what the LP does when I max at 0-4-0-4 in pistoleerthen decide what special shots I want; ----Rogue, Pistoleer, Smuggler line whatever----depending on how many skill points I have left :]

Just hang in there, grind more,and you will stand tall.

Bizzaro, Commando

Bloodfin

Crack, you're either severly exaggerating, blind, or just stupid. Even at flame 1 the thing hits at least 40% of the time. like I told you, the tradeoff for the damage you can deal is speed and accuracy - you have to expect SOMETHING to suffer if you can do the massive damage a properly weilded flamethrower can do. Quit whining about it, you're wrong.

ok tamerel you needa quit commin at me with those cheesy insults, its not gettin u anywhere ad your waisting space with them, i may be exxagerating, but 40% chance at hitting at 8m is total friggin bs! ok i throw grenades at this distance and they hit moer than 70% of the time. so if i can use a sucky wepaon and hit more accuratley then the weapon that i should be using, dont you think there is a problem here?????? or are you the one who is blind?