Combat Medic Archive

Thread: PVP template advice

_Crash_
Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:41 am
#1

Im an experience PVPer and with my various mods of the TKM/Swordsman/Fencer/Doc templates I was very good in individual dueling and great in group PVP. This template being similar to a MDEF/MLS in the way it is played had the same drawbacks, its fun factor is limited. You can only stroll up and smash everything's skull in so many times before it become boring to play. Also this temp along with its Jedi relative are very vulnerable to cm's. So taking this into condieration I will say that I was pretty decent with most of the templates I have put together pose CU whether it be MBH/Mrifle/4xxx cm or TKM/Sword etc. I know how to put the right food combonations together for PVP, put a good weapon together to get the right balance of sac, speed, damage etc and generally manage my pools.


The point in this is not to indicate that I am a bad--- becuase there is always a bigger fish and will always be counters. I just wanted to indicate that I feel like I can PVP a given template pretty well once I get the hang of it.


I had never done pikeman and while doing the FS grind i picked up polearms IV for an area attack. I really like the animations and fight style and found myself using a pike with my TKM/Sword/Brawler quite a bit even though I was not a pikeman. So i made a character on a new server and grinded out pikeman. I decided to do something a bit strange and I added CM to the mix. Being a defense stacker most of the time I was a brawler I had a really hard time giving up TK so I took TK 0100 for the +500 defense that COB gaves you. What this means is that by taking that once box in TK, I had to make a choice between mastering combat medic or mastering pikeman. Since pikes can be a bit slow without some major tweaks in terms of mods, ca's aa's speed powerups, etc, i felt that not mastering pikeman would make that skillset completely worthless.


So my template ended up being master pikeman/tk 0100/CM 4434


Basically this gives you warcry which is a -40 combat speed debuff which stacks with the -40 combat debuff you get from pikeman for a -80 combat speed debuff. (or so I heard they stack, people get pissed as hell because I slow them down to a crawl) I have a snare, the poisons, the fires, the debuffs.. etc.


Now I love EVERYTHING about playing this tempalte. Two isues I ran into is that although can slow combat speed considerably with this template, i take much more damage against brawlers and ranged than I did with my TKM/Sword even with the +500 defense from COB. Second issue is that this teamplate is level 75. This does not bother me that much since if I want to do high level PVE i will simply group with an 80.


I want you to know that I have dueled many people with this template but not the hardcore PVPers (maybe I have been afraid too becuase I had not bought all my foods, stims, etc and just finished the temp last night), mostly people in my group who were level 80 including a MBH/MCM and i have not been defeated. I defeated a TKM/Swordsman/Mbrawler/Medic with this template who was level 80 and I was level 69 (had 2404 cm at that time)


Here is my question i want to discuss and my dilemma...


The TKM/Swrodsman said he missed quite a bit. I am thinking that was due to my COB. I am considering giving up COB for MCM to get level 80 and the advanded diterium toss and paralyze, but if I do so then from my perspective I would be better off with rifleman or MBH since my defenses will be as bad or worse than these professions. I want to remain a pikeman but I am very nervous about having incredibly low defenses being a brawler.


Does anyone have experience with my issue, have any ideas? Is the difference betwen CM 4434 CM and MCM significant enough to drop 500 in defenses? I understand the best way is to try it and I will be doing that, however I wanted the brains who were experts with playing CM to give me their analysis of my situation. I mean one of the fallabilities of the ranged/MCM template is low defenses. I thought heavy damage from pike up close and decent brawler defenses would add somthing significant to how I played my MCM template.


Thanks for any input. Discuss.

Puttley
Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:50 am
#2

I think bagersmacker had a list somewhere of the differences in the stickiness of dots a while ago - thats about your only difference - the heals are similar, and +10 sec on paralyze is nice - but personally i found that the extra chance to stick with DOTs made it more than usefull for me to drop BH 4xxx (duelist stance). if it was me i'd do it - you still keep basic COB, but get a little more in damage output to balance. i think, mostly its down to how you play - the MCM style may differ alot if you find yourself relying on dots more and using paralyse to your advantage.
_Crash_
Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:57 am
#3

Thanks so much. One good thing I overlooked was the fact that I will still ahve the basic COB. One thing that scared me was I watched a MCM/MBH (i assume.. think it was a bh attack) fight what appeared to be a MLS/Defender. Now for some reason he had both poison and fire on the jedi and was keeping him at distance most of the time, but the dots appeared to be doing practically NOTHING to the jedi, the jedi wasnt healing much, mind usage was negligible with the dots on him.


This scared the heck out of me since the CM dots is a major part of my template, for a major part of my temp to appear worthless is nto a good thing. I guess the jeid had alot of really good foods. The MCM/MBH was struggling significantly but the Jedi seemed to not be worried in the slightest. Is it likely that I am going to find my dots to be practically worthless or did this guy just not know what he was doing?


Puttley
Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:07 am
#4

for what its worth i PVP alot too - MCM, M.rifles, Carbs x33x - notably no duelist stance and do pretty well with only basic melee/range defence. the reason, partly i guess is that (the extra misses aside) melee/range def only effects the damage done in terms of the range between min and max of the weapon - relatively low on sabers. the effect hat COB or duelist has on making more misses i find is nicely supported by some foods. (and that way i never need to take the extra few seconds each time i need to re-start it either - instead i can paralyze where i would have done duelist, or KD perahps.
_Crash_
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:28 am
#5


In case anyone is interested I tried both template extensively yesterday. The winner hands down was mpike/tk 0100, cm 4434 over mpike/mcm/novice TK


That extra 250 melee defense had a huge impact on my survivability in PVP. I was getting hit less and healing less. Also I found that CM dots are next to worthless against really good PVP opponents hopped up on food and buffs. Even with nice dieterium toss enhancers it seemed it took more mind for me to throw the dots than it did for the opponents to heal the damage from them. It hurt me extensively in PVP to use the dots, for this reason i am seriously considering dropping CM 4434 for CM 4004 and getting some more defenses/speed instead. I foung that against opponents hopped up on buffs nothing in the cm x44x trees seemed worth my time to use, now this is against good PVPers. On the other hand stacking warcry with tyroid rupture is killer. I hung with some really good PVPers with no armor and crappy weapon.


I just find that poison and fire while fun in PVE is just not worth using in PVP in against many good PVPers. It will take more mind to use them than it does to heal the damage from them. Maybe I am a noob with dots but if anyone feels differently or knows somehtign I am doing wrong chime in.


Edited for typo

Message Edited by _Crash_ on 09-22-2005 07:29 AM

Puttley
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:47 am
#6

i kinda see your point, xx4x tree is close to worthless for PVP, alittle food, buffs etc adn you'd never know. as for x4xx dots, not that many people can cure them, without master you'll probably miss too much to risk it, though i figure that with master & enhancers you'd do over 300 per tick for each dot, that last for 2-3 mins. thats 9000 damage from only 2 attacks. sure you use alot of mind, but then thats 6 heals for them to keep up with the ticks, ontop of you normal attacks. still, its a big tossup, you could revert to 4xx4 (something i toy with daily) and get much better defenses. 29 skill points can be alot of usefull skills if spent wisely. and the healing difference after wearing HE tapes is marginal between master and 4xx4.


i think alot of the call is down to how you fight, the CM x44x with teh dots give you alot of extra damage possibility, but in alot of templates its at the detiment to either a good defence or attacks. i think that amelee template with CM does limit itself to a narrower choice of attacks - and perhaps only 1 decent strong damage attack (but something has to be sacrificed to get the ranged support requirement for CM).


_Crash_
Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:57 am
#7

Ok i have been tweaking my style a bit and changing who I go after. When I was TKM/Sword I fougth many battles and would win most all fo them including against (most) jedi (not all). As a defense stacker/damage dealer/doc you were king of the dueling ring for the most part. (CM/BH was our counter but it was easy just to ignore duels from those guys)


My template which I am enjoying right now is master pikeman, tk 0103, cm 4404. I have bio clothes adding 30 defense and decent armor.


None of those elite defense stacker hybrid's can defeat me (or at least havent yet). I can defeat most jedi (watch out of MLS/Enhancers, they cant kill you but they can run away. I dont even bother fighting against ranged, I cna kill quite a few but pistoleer/cm, bh/cm is the new FOTM and I am toast against those guys.


Now this is nota big damage dealer.. it is an I will outlast youand you cant hurt me tempalte.It is really fun to see the shock factor when those uber defense stacker docs realize they cant do anything to me. They see me wiht my pike and I get duel requrest all the time. Paralyze, thyroid, warcry (-80 combat speed reduction when stacked).Yes my poisons stick less with this than MCM, but i am in no rush. No straight up brawler can even hurt me signicantly becuase they are so slow and my defenses are high.For this reason if I miss a dot applicaton its no big deal, i just let my mind regen the cost of the dot before applying again. If I get luck and get a good stick on both of them then wonderful... once I get them completely debuffed and dotted and they start to fall into a slumber at my low to mediocre damage out put, i wait for them to run out of ruby bliel, you can tell becuase this si when they start using their doc heals. I then start focusin on KD's and doing heavy damage with my pike. just drawing it out, frustrating them.


All I can say is people HATE fighting me. I was getting a little low on mind at one time when this one guy thought he would win (this was actually before I tweaked my temp, dont seem to ahve mind management issues anymore) and I just snared himand ran around a bit letting the poison sink in and the fire eat away at him. At first he said "Woah! A melee kiter!" and was complimenting me. As the fight wore on and he realized he was going to loose he started saying. CM is lame, kiting takes no skill at all you are completely lame, etc. Finally he ended the duel and called me an obscenity questioning my seksuality.


I explained to him that I took this tempalte becuse I used to be a defense stacker just like he is but it was boring. I said to me it takes no skill to just let your built in defenses do everything for you while you realiy on insane damage dealing. I said I know your teamplate and you only have to hit like 1-3 buttons to win a duel against most people. I explained that the reason I changed tempaltes is becuase this tempalte is allot more challenging to play, much more complicated, and i pointed out that I beat him with it to boot.


His response: "Your gay."


Oh well im loving it.







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