Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Rare resources ??
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Nihro
Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:28 am
#1
Hello everyone ... maybe you can help and advise?
I am avery soon to be NoviceCM, but I started collecting resources about 2 months in advance, ready for the big day!.
I based my resource hunting on the FAQ resource list ... and here is my problem: Tolium and Eleton gases.
In two months there have been no spawns of these gases in my galaxy (Infinity). In 2 months neither of these gases has been available either on the bazaar, or on private vendors (I have visited zillions).
I have questioned the only 5 Master CMs that I have found so far, and none of them have ever heard of Tolium or Eleton gases.
Questions:
a) have resource requirements changed since the FAQ was updated?
b) if not, just how vital are Tolium and Eleton gases?
Thanks everyone 
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KyorD
Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:36 am
#2
Nihro wrote:
Hello everyone ... maybe you can help and advise?
I am avery soon to be NoviceCM, but I started collecting resources about 2 months in advance, ready for the big day!.
I based my resource hunting on the FAQ resource list ... and here is my problem: Tolium and Eleton gases.
In two months there have been no spawns of these gases in my galaxy (Infinity). In 2 months neither of these gases has been available either on the bazaar, or on private vendors (I have visited zillions).
I have questioned the only 5 Master CMs that I have found so far, and none of them have ever heard of Tolium or Eleton gases.
Questions:
a) have resource requirements changed since the FAQ was updated?
b) if not, just how vital are Tolium and Eleton gases?
Thanks everyone
If I remember corectly, tolium is an important gas. It gives med components more charges. I am a retired MCM but I am still a Master Doc on Shadowfire. I had to pay a lot of credits for all my gases, like 10 CPU. So yeah I have heard of them both but I am not sure of there are any spawns now...sorry I cannot be more helpful. 
jfang
Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:41 am
#3
Welcome to our nightmare. (I always find it saddening that doctors complain about their resource requirements, as the combat medic requirements are a strict superset of them, and have harder resources too.) 
I have not checked recently, but I am 99.99% certain the resource requirements did not change. (That would represent a fundamental shift in combat medics which Texxie would have known about and told us when it came into effect on live, and my schematics were working as of a few days ago.)
The short answer though, Tolium gas and Eleton gas, and really none of the advanced components, are "vital". They represent a significant power gain in your crafting though.
Lack of Eleton gas is more important. Lack of it represents no advanced injection amplifiers, or an approximate loss of about 40 effectiveness in the final combine. This translates into about a 15% drop in power for an individual poison C, up to a 50% drop in power in an area disease C.
Lack of Tolium gas represents no advanced resilience compounds. The biggest effect is a drop in potency. Assuming you craft poisons and diseases like "everybody else", and maximize potency, this will represent using about 2 experimentation points in ease of use instead of effectiveness, or about a 5% to 10% drop in effectiveness in your final combine, and a reduction in duration by a rough guess of 40% (not especially important in most cases).
You can contact a local droid engineer to purchase for Tolium gas. I think a weaponsmith uses Eleton gas to craft as well, but I am not sure about that. Honestly, until you get xx4x combat medic though, it's not worth your time or money to try to purchase them. They will spawn sooner or later. The question is will it be sooner, or later...
Pahdbacca
Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:13 am
#4
Ack! Sorry, but weaponsmiths do not use Eleton gas as a named special. In fact, they use very little reactive gas in non-commando weapons except for Irolunn (spelling?) gas which is used in advanced blaster handlers.
Grats on CM Nihro....1 thing though.....If your 5 MCM buddies don't know what eleton and tolium gasses are, they probably don't craft their own meds. Find out who they get them from and ask that CM.
Loonytic
Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:17 am
#5
Tolium jus despawned on my server OQ 1000 DR 996 
Its Titanium Aluminum I have problems with good quality stuff is snatched up by the WS, and often goes for more than 100:1
Message Edited by Loonytic on 07-09-2004 04:20 PM
jfang
Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:19 am
#7
Loonytic wrote:
Tolium jus despawned on my server OQ 1000 DR 996
Its Titanium Aluminum I have problems with good quality stuff is snatched up by the WS, and often goes for more than 100:1
Message Edited by Loonytic on 07-09-2004 04:20 PM
With Tolium of 1000-996, you have very little to complain about with Titanium aluminum... 
I imagine that the droid engineerl love life on your server (as this helps them more than us, really).
jkray8472
Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:25 am
#8
Yeah, Tolium stats aren't quite as necessary. Even with 500/500 Tolium, I was making poisons/diseases with good duration, and 120 potency. I haven't started using our new 920/850 stuff yet.
I haven't started using our new 920/850 stuff yet. Tolium increases the potency and duration of your poisons/diseases.
Eleton increases the effectiveness (and thus power) of your poisons/diseases.
If you can't find eleton, using good resources for the standard Infection Amp should still yield decent poisons. Your diseases will hurt more just b/c they rely more on the infection amplifier for their power. No Tolium is a bigger problem, b/c with lower potency, targets will often resist.
jfang
Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:30 am
#9
Yes, the lower potency is a bigger problem than lower effectiveness. But it is also easier to compensate for (two experimentation points in the final combine, for example). Really, the Eleton will affect the final product more than the Tolium, just by nature of the current crafting process.
Missing either is bad, but neither is really critical. As Pahdbacca said though, those 5 MCMs you talked to are likely buying meds and not making them, so they will have a supplier you might be able to trace down.
Iatac
Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:51 am
#10
I had to wait 3 months on Valcyn for Tolium to spawn. When it finally did, the quality was 500 oq, 200 dr. I saw some going for 100cpu in a store a little while ago. It's pretty silly. Your best bet is to just run your own harvestors and check every time it spawns. I'm not selling anything I just mined, even though it's really low grade.
Nihro
Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:45 am
#11
Thanks for your reply.
Well, I have heard back from 3 of the 5 Master CMs ... and no, they dont buy their stuff from anyone ... they just make their own basic stuff that does not need Eleton or Tolium.
Have also just heard back from all my Interplanetary Survey Droids ... and still no spawns ... so that makes 9 weeks ... ho hum ...
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:26 am
#12
On gorath there has been two spawns of eleton the last six months or so. I'll have to stay another year or so to be sure but it seems that the time between spawns is roughly 4-6 months. Tolium is about the same but the statistics were rather shot to hell when two decent sets of tolium spawned at the same time.
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