Combat Medic Archive
Thread: The routine beat down of an MCM
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S1ave1
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:09 am
#1
First off, I am a very casual gamer, and I haven't played SWG regularly since early spring. I have been a master combat medic since last fall when I finally got my title.
So here is the scoop and I am looking for some advice on how to make my gaming experience more enjoyable...
- I was logged in as an overt rebel waiting for my timer to go to covert to run out.
- I wasre-running the Jaba missions for fun
- An overt imperial comes down the stairs and proceeds to kickmy butt in about 10 seconds flat.
- I was incapped twice then finally killed (3x was for his amusement, I'm sure)
- I have yet to win any kind of pvp encounter, usually declare once or twice a month... maybe have had a couple dozen fights
- The screen shot shows that I didn't get any poison off, probably because I was targeting an NPC for chat. Although the poison would have made zero difference in the outcome of this battle.
- I am missing repeatedly and he is hitting me for 400 to 900 points a whack.
My stats and equipment
- master combat medic
- fan shot in pistoleer
- couple lines in doc
- 60ish % everything composite
- self buffed 1700ish on all 6 health and action stats
- didn't have food for this encounter, but usually have some food and or drink (did drink some blue milk between incaps to try and get away)
- semi crappy fwg with low 200 damage; 1.8 speed, usually have a 30% power-up running
- my poisons are pretty good mid 300 effective, but I usually only get one toss, if that, before I am killed
What to do??
- I have been playing MCM since early on, because I liked being able to toss heals and poisons
- I can't win a pvp without some kind of divine intervention
- I get really depressed reading about how overpoweredCMs are and I'm trying to understand when I can't beat an elite anything...
- I am thinking about droppingall my points and starting over as something where I might get an occassional win
- I do realize that I should have been paying more attention looking for reds on the radar, but I honestly believe had I known for 10 minutes that he was coming, I still would have gotten a major smack down...
Questions..
- Am I just doomed to get the smoked every time because I am not hardcore enough?
- Could my character actually be good with some amount of better technique?
- any suggestions to make this character better, or should I just rerole?
- I think that my char has average armor and stats, is pvp only supposed to last 10 seconds?
I don't think any of these newCM changes will really hurt me, because I don't toss for 100m or every second anyway.
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=94593&poll_id=0&warned=y
jkray8472
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:23 am
#2
In a 1 vs 1 situation...CMs almost always lose. My notes on this encounter:
1. I never saw you try to throw a poison (could have missed it). However he poisoned you--he was also a CM, but looked like a Master Swordsman + 4/4/0/4 CM. That poison probably did more damage to you than his swordsman skills...or at least as much. If your potency on the poisons and diseases is high, you should never miss him with them. Toss a mind poison, then a mind disease. Before you do anything else, start with those.
2. Run away from meleers. Burst-run, and just head out in whatever direction. Try and run up a hill, since you have terrain negotiation and he might not. Or you could have run inside jabba's palace and tried to lose him in some of the twists and turns. 
3. Without very high levels of pistoleer (the FanShot line isn't good enough), you won't be very good at attacking players in PvP. You need Master Pistoleer...mostly b/c the Dodge helps you avoid damage long enough to deal a tiny bit. However, pistoleers are considered relatively weak in comparison to the melee professions and pistoleer. And at least Carbineers can knock people down from a distance, and also dizzy them. :/
That being said...you need to either drop some of doctor in order to specialize more in combat, or concentrate purely on your doctor/CM skills for survival. BurstRun is your friend if that's the case. You won't be very good at 1 vs 1 combat however. Doc/CM is more geared towards group combat. CM/Rifleman is a good combatination for individual combat...as is Doc/Rifleman.
S1ave1
Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:23 am
#3
Good advice... thanks
I did try to toss one poison, but I had the npc targeted when he attacked and so it really didn't do much. He had me incapped in less than ten secs anyway, so I would have only gotten one tic off.
I don't believe that he was a CM, but rather his weapon had some poison on it. I don't remember his tag, but it was master something... Not MCM.
I was running after the first incap and blue milk, but he caught me, because I didn't burst run in time.
A comedy of errors really, but in the limited time that I have to react before incap, I really can't hit all the right keys. If a battle lasted maybe a minute or so, I could probably use some strategy.
Two whacks from his sword and I was out.... I just don't see the uber-power of CMs.
S1ave1
Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:50 am
#5
Yes I was wearing my helmet... I have full composite set with the following stats
Kinetic - 80%
electric - 74%
all else - 65%
"Jedi" series made by Battle-child nearly 4 months ago....
Paid 400 something k credits for the whole set
How is the averageplayer without uber armor, all the right foods, doc buffs and power-ups, etc. supposed to compete for more than 10 seconds???
This combined with all the complaints on CM uberness really has me stumped...
S1ave1
Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:54 am
#6
I stand corrected on the rest of my armor... I forgot it was all sliced and most other pieces have higher than 65% on all else. The helmet must have gotten an encumberance slice Still 80% isn't too shabby...
Still 80% isn't too shabby...
Brainplay
Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:01 am
#7
S1ave1 wrote:
First off, I am a very casual gamer, and I haven't played SWG regularly since early spring. I have been a master combat medic since last fall when I finally got my title.
So here is the scoop and I am looking for some advice on how to make my gaming experience more enjoyable...
- I was logged in as an overt rebel waiting for my timer to go to covert to run out. Hit ctrl M to get the overview map or raise your radar to a minimum of 128. If you're overt you got no business being asleep behind the wheel. Expect trouble.
- I wasre-running the Jaba missions for fun
- An overt imperial comes down the stairs and proceeds to kickmy butt in about 10 seconds flat. Only defenses we get are from our ranged professions and you barely have one of those.
- I was incapped twice then finally killed (3x was for his amusement, I'm sure)
- I have yet to win any kind of pvp encounter, usually declare once or twice a month... maybe have had a couple dozen fights 1vs.1 as a CM/doctor you pretty much have to rely heavily on your poisoning ability instead of any other combat abilities. Running is your only option since you cant duke it out. Like the other guy said, use terrain to your advantage.
- The screen shot shows that I didn't get any poison off, probably because I was targeting an NPC for chat. Although the poison would have made zero difference in the outcome of this battle. Close quarters is suicide for anyone but a melee profession. Unless you have a reason to be inside you should be outside while overt.
- I am missing repeatedly and he is hitting me for 400 to 900 points a whack. You're what level pistoleer? Did you really thing your gimp accuracy would be able to make a dent in his defenses?
My stats and equipment
- master combat medic
- fan shot in pistoleer
- couple lines in doc
- 60ish % everything composite
- self buffed 1700ish on all 6 health and action stats 1700 is ok for PvE but PvP that just stinks. Pay a doctor to buff you properly if you're going overt. You might last a whole 3 seconds long against a fencer/TK but that might be enough to get away.
- didn't have food for this encounter, but usually have some food and or drink (did drink some blue milk between incaps to try and get away) You're overt and not prepared? If your tag is up you should have taken your brandies and have any other food ready to go since you really wont get the chance during an engagement with your hands tied up. Have your Thak hotkeyed!
- semi crappy fwg with low 200 damage; 1.8 speed, usually have a 30% power-up running Pistoleer without a DE-10, Geo stun pistol, or even an old fashioned Tangle pistol equivocates to crappy dps. Your fwg5 is 0armor piercingso you're already taking a 50% reduction (thats after the 75% pvp reduction) for that mistake.
- my poisons are pretty good mid 300 effective, but I usually only get one toss, if that, before I am killed You have to do it from maximum range or have some method of standing up to any melee/rifleman. Chef crafted foods are your friends but can be expensive. Pikatta pie, synthsteak, and thakatillo are the big ones to remember as they increase your survivability. Like most other MCM's if they cantouch you then you're already at a major disadvantage. Just be sure to get that disease in just in case this all fails.
What to do??
- I have been playing MCM since early on, because I liked being able to toss heals and poisons
- I can't win a pvp without some kind of divine intervention
- I get really depressed reading about how overpoweredCMs are and I'm trying to understand when I can't beat an elite anything...
- I am thinking about droppingall my points and starting over as something where I might get an occassional win
- I do realize that I should have been paying more attention looking for reds on the radar, but I honestly believe had I known for 10 minutes that he was coming, I still would have gotten a major smack down...
Questions..
- Am I just doomed to get the smoked every time because I am not hardcore enough? YES, this applies to any profession.
- Could my character actually be good with some amount of better technique? YES, I can eat melee for breakfast and other ranged for dinner unless they use the same techniques on me. Then it comes down to who has the better weapon.
- any suggestions to make this character better, or should I just rerole? practice practice practice
- I think that my char has average armor and stats, is pvp only supposed to last 10 seconds? It rarely goes past 60seconds 1 vs. 1. and usually that because the combatants dont know jack.
I don't think any of these newCM changes will really hurt me, because I don't toss for 100m or every second anyway.
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=94593&poll_id=0&warned=y
Here's the skinny on PvP. Its not easy to do and not for the faint of heart and can get real expensive at times. I still get jumpy when red dots show up on my screen. Getting to the level of PvP master takes alot of repeated practice and ALOT of deaths and for all the talking I do I still wont claim that title for myself. Dont worry just make sure you're cloned on the same planet before you go overt and there is no real loss except for some faction points. Treat every encounter like they have a doctor with them and are defense stackers to the hilt. Self buffing is nice and all for PvE but if you cant break the 2100 mark then dont bother doing it for PvP. Pistoleer is generally a weak offensive profession even when mastered. The big boons to it are the high defenses, early speed cap,and access to the DE-10 and stun weapons. Most people dont understand stun damage and rarely pack PSG's or stun armor except for a helmet (you need both of these btw).
The very bad news for you is that you're a "sorta doctor/MCM/sorta pistols". So you have pistols but not the speed. MCM but nothing to back it up. Self buffs and....can you cure or suppress fire? You're really a group oriented template. The only PvP that you should be doing is from behind a melee/rifleman. If you want to become more active in PvP drop some of the doc and dump them into pistoleer or switch and go rifleman. Headshot2 isn't all that great but it isn't all that bad either and being able to incap someone after the poisons have worked over their MIND with it helps alot.
I've never tossed more than an area or single C poison and disease (disease if I have time which doesn't happen that often) before and I still win alot of my engagements. Ihad to buy 2 C packs to get past the 64m range from another MCM (it wasembarassing) sinceI missed the last good yavin fiberplast spawn...6months ago andhave always used my regular stuff which only had a 31 range. Weaponssliced for damage and crafted for accuracy, accuracy foods, anti-KD food, moun, 80% kinetic armor, 30% stun helmets, psgs all crowd inventory and backpack. I've died alot learning what works and what doesn't and I still get a big laugh when people post flat out bogus accounts of how they got incapped. Most of them died unprepared just like you did in that last encounter.
People slide by in PvP all of the time on luck and a gimick. Teras Kasi and their knockdown/dizzy combos are the worst offender and believe it or not Combat Medic can run along those same lines. Take away their ability to KD with food or have a doc template to counter poisons and those people are usually only as effective as a meatlump. Dont be that guy!
Message Edited by Brainplay on 07-12-2004 06:02 AM
S1ave1
Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:05 pm
#8
Thanks Brainplay...
I would agree with nearly all of your assessment. I just don't believe that I have the commitment required to continue with pvp. It's not that I don't enjoy fighting other players, it's just that the effort required to compete seems excessive. I enjoy playing pve most of the time and being able to buff myself and a friend or two.
I don't really need pvp to be my second job, but in defense of myself, I usually do pay better attention while overt than I did this time. It's just that the results are usually the same either way.
I'm not sure that getting pistoleer speed would help much, because I would only miss faster The accuracy and better weapons, are a good idea though.
The accuracy and better weapons, are a good idea though.I'm afraid that I am not cut out for the pvp game, but that seems to take something away from SWG, if you can't participate.
It seems unfortunate, because even the new players should be able to play pvp a little with getting obliterated in seconds... Thanks again for the tips, definately something to think about !!!
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