Combat Medic Archive

Thread: Why Combat Medic Poisons and Disease need to be stronger.

Fastgun
Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:41 am
#1

(1) The Poisons and Disease Dots are much too easily healed by any competent Medical Class.


(2) A group with any brains will have at least one person capable of healing these dots. Groups and individuals that do not include someone that can heal these poisons and dots are not worth consideration. Disease and Poison should have a failure rate to heal.


(3) The poisons and disease do not act fast enough to be very effective in combat since they can be healed so easily. So the damage needs to be increased at least 2 fold.


(4) Since the mind dots affect a ham pool that is not easily healed this represents the one and only effective poison dot that has any chance of affecting the outcome of combat (except of course for groups that do not include a competent healer, such stupidity should be rewarded appropriately on the battlefield). There needs to be more mind affecting dots with real specials that inhibit the victims. (Sickness, Blind, Dizzy etc)


(5) This class is underutilized and needs effective offensive weapons as well as being able to heal groups.


(6) The Poisons and Dots need to effect a larger radius in cities, and not require Los. This is an area effect weapon after all.


**Just a note to all you combat medics. If you do not defend your profession. If you give in to all the "kewl dudes" thinking that by compromising you will make yourselves more accepted and friendly to others. If you think your overpowered and just want to"give a little" You will be nerfed into oblivion. This is not conjecture, this is a certainty. Most people have not reached master level in their combat classes, they are still pups with a few specials, so they are feeling your heat. When they do become masters it will be you who are feeling the heat, and wondering what happened to your class.


Its very easy for the Devs to take somthing away, but it will require an Act of God to bring it back. Work with the Devs on improving your class and make it as powerful as possible, because I assure you every other profession is campaigning to do the same.



Fastgun


Fastgun


Elenora
Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:02 am
#2

this is a joke right?!


lol Mind poison will kill any doctor before they can stop it...


it takes 3-4 curepoisons to stop a level C mind poison...


which can then be reapplied...


H and A dots are fine...considering that we can apply them without LOS the DPS on them is acceptable...


8 secs between ticks on a poison is pretty fast post patch...


diseases have no place in the current pvp setting except of grieve....


And not even a compentent doctor can stop AOE dots....so no they arent easy to heal unless u are using H or A poisons...in which case i ask u why u are...


Lol underutilized? Im the most effective killing weapon in any pvp grp. No one can dish out mind damage as easily or as fast as I can.


Larger radius? i already have 24m on my AOE poisons...add that to my 47m range for dots and u have a good 70m of effectiveness...


ANd thats why we are trying to convince the devs to do somethng about mind damage...


cuz in actuality its mind damage that makes us overpowered...


and hopefully giving suggestions to fix the imbalance rather than sitting and waiting to get nerfed will make it better i think...


the nerf is coming...no doubt about it...might as well make it as painless as possible.





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Elenora Kaadara Naboo Ahazi
Master Combat Medic/Master Surgeon/Master Chemist
Elenora's Drugs - Better lives through better medicines
HoTron-rex
Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:55 am
#3

I cant disagree with you more Eleanora. I dont know what its like on your server, but on Bloodfin I dont see a single CM using mind poisons EVER (aside from my mesely 100dmg ones). I've never seen them used in pvp or pve on my server. No mean to brag here, but I do act as the general for my guild and as such take part in pvp daily on many planets and NEVER see these mind poisons used. Guess what i do see used though all the time hun? Mindshot2, Headshot3, and Eyeshot. Weapon class users spam the *hit out of those and nay er a CM to be found tossing mind dots. Why? Simple. The time we put into making these packs and gathering the 9 different good quality resource and using a factory is something that 99% of people dont want to do.


The answer to the mind poison of CM is to just make it so docs can heal it as effectively as we can dish it. NOT to nerf it, but to counter it. The nerf needs to be applied to the jackasses that spam their weapon mind shots in pvp, not us. We are counterable, they are NOT.


Finally, I dont know how in the name of all that is holy you manage a 300pt mind dot. with the absolutely CRAPPY resource spawns on Bloodfin as far as class1 radios and class4 petros, I cannot POSSIBLY make a pack that good. christ, the best class 4 out in the past 4 weeks has been 400OQ 30PE. what am i supposed to make with that? toilet paper? And dont even get me started on the reactive gasses. The point is E that this crap is HARD to make well. Why nerf it. I realize you are uber and can make Godly packs, but your average CM cant.




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Nereus - Master Doctor, Master Politician
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HoTron-rex
Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:56 am
#4

do you live on some server where there are more than 20 CMs? cause there arent on mine



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High Chancellor- KGB SWG
Hotron - Master Riflewoman, Master Pikeman
Nereus - Master Doctor, Master Politician
Ysaanne - Secretist Extraordinaire
Elenora
Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:01 am
#5

Hotron...


i have noticed this on some server...and then noticed on other servers that its more like my server...


I think if dots will vary so much from server to server thisneeds to be addressed by the devs...i think a similar problem occurs with some higher level weapons on different servers...


even the devs admit that the resource system is totally messed up (read the dev's response to artisans)


SO i will admit that I only know whats going on my server...


lol another argument for why SOE should let people /copy to TC to test crap like this out...


Hotron...also evenif the resources are bad now, there still remains the potential that a good resource shift may complete change the dynamics of the CM...


now that is a bit harsh in terms of game play no?




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Elenora Kaadara Naboo Ahazi
Master Combat Medic/Master Surgeon/Master Chemist
Elenora's Drugs - Better lives through better medicines
HoTron-rex
Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:24 am
#6

yeah eleanora but heres the thing.... I need to spend hours searching for this crap every time there is a resource shift and burn tens of thousands of credits in interplanetary travel cause even my friends arent going to make a return trip to endor for 9k credits just to look for resources for me. how long do i have to wait? a year? how much money wasted in that time? the point here is E, this crap is REALLY FRIKKING HARD to make it so it works well. You are lucky. you have the resources to do it on your server, and you found them, harvested them, and got them. I'm still sitting on my thumb and spinning so to speak waiting for some of this crap to spawn. it is NOWHERE near as easy as you make it out to get this crap to work Eleanora, simple as that...



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High Chancellor- KGB SWG
Hotron - Master Riflewoman, Master Pikeman
Nereus - Master Doctor, Master Politician
Ysaanne - Secretist Extraordinaire
Elenora
Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:29 am
#7

its really funny but i havent travelled off naboo for all the resources i need...in fact i havent even left kaadara...


resources are screwed up...


and there are a growing number of CMs on my server now post patch...in fact i have had more tells/mail ordering dots than meds...im not even selling dots lol...not to mention im getting a ton of new requests for CM training...and tells about CM questions...


now what worries me is that some servers seem to have way overpowered CMs and others underpowered CMs....


maybe that is something SOE needs to look at...





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Elenora Kaadara Naboo Ahazi
Master Combat Medic/Master Surgeon/Master Chemist
Elenora's Drugs - Better lives through better medicines
Kinsei
Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:37 am
#8

Can we start threads about the problems the profession still have then?


Like the whole pausing thing to throw a ranged stimpack or poison. If Marksmen are able to shoot while running shouldn't we able to do something as simple as throw the blue glowing ball without stopping to smell the roses and pet the pretty bugs?


Or that one AE high level disease or poison or stimpack whatever that has much, much more Combat Medicine Use requirement than a master CM could ever have.


Maybe petition for less strict resource requirements, like instead of Reactive Gas just be Inert Gas or just Gas in generaland instead of Radioactive just have some type of Energy.



And if Elenora is getting bored with her profession because she's all "uber" in PvP by hiding behind buildings shouldn't she just drop the class and pick up a Brawler profession or something? I hear the Swordsmen are having a tough time competing at all. You know, just for challenge's sake. Maybe she'll even enjoy being a Swordsman/Doctor. She's already got the stat buffs right there. And they have mind bleed and head hit too so it won't be so much different.




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Elenora
Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:45 am
#9

the fact is that we have bugged a lot of the problems like ranged stim throwing (was one ofthe issues in the list but not top 5) the CMU on disease is a bug...hopefully SOE will fix it maybe they wont...ive bugged it uve bugged it an so have many of the CMs...


fact is that 13 CDRMs are still in Ranged Es, advanced resilance compound still wont load....


These are all bugs for the list that we should turn into the list of 5 issues that we should turn in at the end of week if the devs bothered to even get back to us...


all we can do is keep bumping the threads about the bugs and hope SOE see them...


i mean what is there really to discuss in terms of bugs?


maybe if the devs ever got back to us, we could send them the new list




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Elenora Kaadara Naboo Ahazi
Master Combat Medic/Master Surgeon/Master Chemist
Elenora's Drugs - Better lives through better medicines
Elenora
Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:46 am
#10

oh and im not bored with the class...


i just hate having a pvp system thats so unbalanced that its not fair...




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Elenora Kaadara Naboo Ahazi
Master Combat Medic/Master Surgeon/Master Chemist
Elenora's Drugs - Better lives through better medicines
HoTron-rex
Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:00 am
#11

"maybe if the devs ever got back to us, we could send them the new list"


LMFAO. dont worry E, you're just paying them to ignore us.




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High Chancellor- KGB SWG
Hotron - Master Riflewoman, Master Pikeman
Nereus - Master Doctor, Master Politician
Ysaanne - Secretist Extraordinaire
Elenora
Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:01 am
#12

must u remind me i pay for this game?! lol





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Elenora Kaadara Naboo Ahazi
Master Combat Medic/Master Surgeon/Master Chemist
Elenora's Drugs - Better lives through better medicines
Fastgun
Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:04 am
#13

Elen your right, the nerfs are coming. If you think for one second that complaining about your own professionbeingoverpowered is going to magically bring things into balance, your woefully mistaken. That's not the way these things work. What will happen is...and history has proven this time and again. The nerf bat will hit this profession so hard that you will be a lowgrade healer for months to come. Because thats about how long it will take for the Devs to realize that there is a mass exodus of people dropping CM for other professions, and listen to their complaints.


How can you in your right mind even evaluate balance?Master levels are just now starting to be reached. People are just now beginning to think tactically in groups. Stop thinking about balance!!!! Think about your own profession alone, independent of the rest of the crap! When enough people reach master levels and the pvp starts getting good, then you can start talking balance, with enough information to at least evaluate it properly.



Fastgun

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