Combat Medic Archive

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da-bro wrote:
Even reducing the chance this debuff has to stick would not be sufficient. The reasons are as follows:

1. A 2 minute snare on a melee character with no healing is enough to kill them 3 or 4 times over without risk.
2. A 2 minute snare on a melee character with healing, will result in the character having to heal alot and after 2 minute of this, their mind will be shot to pieces and you have then gained a MASSIVE upper hand in the fight.

Basically, when it sticks and if you're fighting a melee character, its all one way traffic in terms of damage for the whole 2 minutes. Resulting in one of the above two scenarios. The only plausible ways to balance Electrolyte Drain are as follows:

1. Reduce the amount you are slowed by the debuff.
2. Reduce the duration.
3. Give the skill huge costs.
4. A blend of the above.

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:
the snare counter (rofl)
# Profession Chef

* Added a new drink; Rancor Aid. This drink provides a short term defense to electrolyte drain in addition to a small speed boost.

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Hmm, that's NDA stuff surely. That's why I haven't mentioned it yet.

Well, this is the Devs first go at balancing Edrain, a chef buff that defends against it. I'll test it out and let you know. This isn't definate so don't start resubbing your chefs just yet.

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

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da-bro wrote:
Even reducing the chance this debuff has to stick would not be sufficient. The reasons are as follows:

1. A 2 minute snare on a melee character with no healing is enough to kill them 3 or 4 times over without risk.
2. A 2 minute snare on a melee character with healing, will result in the character having to heal alot and after 2 minute of this, their mind will be shot to pieces and you have then gained a MASSIVE upper hand in the fight.

Basically, when it sticks and if you're fighting a melee character, its all one way traffic in terms of damage for the whole 2 minutes. Resulting in one of the above two scenarios. The only plausible ways to balance Electrolyte Drain are as follows:

1. Reduce the amount you are slowed by the debuff.
2. Reduce the duration.
3. Give the skill huge costs.
4. A blend of the above.

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those are all valid points for a ranged snare, however, electrolight drain is limited to melee range. melee has snares to, specificaly binding strike from fencer. if yo chose not to get a melee snare, then that's your own fault, not mine.

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

Hmm, that's NDA stuff surely. That's why I haven't mentioned it yet.

Well, this is the Devs first go at balancing Edrain, a chef buff that defends against it. I'll test it out and let you know. This isn't definate so don't start resubbing your chefs just yet.

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How hard would it be to classify Electrolyte drain as an effect that can have a resist against it. Poison and disease have resists located in the Doctor trees. However, no one takes resists seriously since they have no real fear of DoT's.

IDEAS

1) Introduce a resist into the Doctor trees and that solves alot. If they dont have the resist they can't complain about anything. Would also increase the demand for full template doctors instead of generic 4/0/0/4 types.

2) Another chef food would be ok but chef has alot going for it already. A smuggler spice would also be a better option that a food. Short duration like pixie and with a minor negative affect at the end (maybe even a snare?). It would make people have to decide on what would be tactically better. Booster blue or an anti-snare spice.

3) Add another Squad Leader skill into their boxes or into the "retreat" skill. It could either override Edrain or cancel out the debuff much like their state removing abilities. Boost morale would make for a good place to start as it is currently not that useful but still has a high cost to it. This would make the cost more worth it.

Message Edited by Brainplay on 10-13-2005 07:52 PM

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Debuffs will not remove their counterpart buffs; stacking adrenal boost with thyroid rupture will net -15 speed. At the end of the TR, AB will remain. Only movement effects are absolute and even then the buff is not removed, just negated for the duration.

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Why is it that only movement speed buffs are absolute and don't stack with a movement speed buff for reduced impact? There is only one possible answer - unbalancing ranged Vs melee is their intent.

I challenge anyone to find another reason for this?

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:
the snare counter (rofl)
# Profession Chef

* Added a new drink; Rancor Aid. This drink provides a short term defense to electrolyte drain in addition to a small speed boost.

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Hmm, that's NDA stuff surely. That's why I haven't mentioned it yet.

Well, this is the Devs first go at balancing Edrain, a chef buff that defends against it. I'll test it out and let you know. This isn't definate so don't start resubbing your chefs just yet.

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Stecoli wrote:

Ok I think snare shouldnt completely deem a player unable to escape, but rather reduce their speed by a percentage, for those who have FR3 and FR2, so they arent completely wasted, also the "impossible to kill" melee stackers (Mswords Fencer 4441 Doc 4xx4, RIS ABslice+StimD), you could just snare and run around in circles all day give these an "Anti Snare" move in place of one of their other moves which gives them the UBER defense making them unkillable for any solo ranged/jedi profession. This would then make the melee stackers more useful in that they can get out of a snare, but at a sigificant mind/defense loss to make them "killable". Also put a timer on the snare recharge similar to stop shot , so it can only be used once every 40 seconds.

Just an idea , so no flames please.

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:
the snare counter (rofl)
# Profession Chef

* Added a new drink; Rancor Aid. This drink provides a short term defense to electrolyte drain in addition to a small speed boost.

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Hmm, that's NDA stuff surely. That's why I haven't mentioned it yet.

Well, this is the Devs first go at balancing Edrain, a chef buff that defends against it. I'll test it out and let you know. This isn't definate so don't start resubbing your chefs just yet.

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when the pulled the nda they said patch notes & dev quotes were ok.

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Among what is still covered by NDA:

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

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GlargTheKelfn wrote:
the snare counter (rofl)
# Profession Chef

* Added a new drink; Rancor Aid. This drink provides a short term defense to electrolyte drain in addition to a small speed boost.

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Hmm, that's NDA stuff surely. That's why I haven't mentioned it yet.

Well, this is the Devs first go at balancing Edrain, a chef buff that defends against it. I'll test it out and let you know. This isn't definate so don't start resubbing your chefs just yet.

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when the pulled the nda they said patch notes & dev quotes were ok.

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Among what is still covered by NDA:

3. Game Issues and Feedback: The reason this isn't lifted is because the development team is still working on the expansion and still reading your feedback. Bugs, issues, tweaks and other types of fine tuning is still going on, so what is true today may not be true tomorrow.

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