Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Stacking diseases/poisons
Adune
Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:07 pm
#15
Hey, CM's that are whining about CM meds taking too long to cast, check out chef, and stop playing stupid.
Tristarn
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:39 pm
#16
Seiryu5 wrote:
Just making sure, you can stack A,B,C area poisons and then A,B,C single poisons on the same pool? What about diseases? Same concept? What are the limitations? Can two people both use, lets say, a singlehealth C poison and have it stack?I'm just trying to find the best possible dmg to a single pool in the shortest amount of time...Thanks
I belive that Area poisons do not stack, I think they overwrite eachother, I may be wrong.Yes the single shot poisons do stack, but the As get resisted so much it is not worth the 14 sec.
If your doing nightsisters or any other big mob stack the areaC then the singleC followed by the singleB and then focus on keeping people alive and keeping enough mind for the second, third, and forth application you might need before the mob dies.
And for the whiners that hijacked your thread, there is no CM that would live long enough to stack poisons in PVP. We get one throw if were lucky then it's clone time, so please go away and leave the CM board for us to use.
Kaynab
Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:30 am
#17
Multiple problems with CM:
#1: Combat Medics throwing further than someone can shoot. Supposedly fixed on TC.
#2: Combat Medics using group tef to nail large groups of people and effectively killing a raid. Not really a CM issue but still the reason I'm not going to pvp anymore.
#3: Combat Medic poisons/diseases being unresistable and not being effected by defensive stats. If a TKM can miss me from 1m then theres no way you should be able to have 100% accuracy from distance. This is an outstanding issue.
#4: Doctors can not keep up with a CM in the rate of curing poison/disease verse them throwing new ones.
#5: Hitting a person who is outside and infecting all people in the area, regardless of walls.
#6: The ability to hit someone with a poison and a disease, die then come back and db them because they were incapped.
#7: Poison/Disease being uneffected by armor or reduced in any way. Not sure what to do about this one, but my 2800 mind bar should not dissapear in 4 ticks (and spider venom from the geo cave allows for 1k+ ticks).
The only way to get around a CM is to become a Ranged Prof/TKM (kill them quick then meditate) or to become a Ranged Prof/Doctor. One on one I can kill a CM, then I need to spend 10 minutes hoping that the local dancer can heal my wounds faster than the disease makes them.
On my server we've now changed our style based on CMs. Fights are fun for the most part for everyone, until they show up.
Usually we keep groups small so doctors can fix stuff.
And most importantly we do not db CMs. We let them 3 incap and if possible more. The longer the CM spends on the ground the less we have to worry about being hit with a completely unresistable attack that targets the entire group from a cowardly red dot 80m away.
I'm sure all of that is just what the devs intended /rollseyes. Now go ahead and flame me so you can keep your prof uber. Just remember, you spend a total of 29 skillpoints (15 for novice) on combat. That doesn't give you a right to be the deciding factor based on your damage. You are a healing support prof.
#1: Combat Medics throwing further than someone can shoot. Supposedly fixed on TC.
#2: Combat Medics using group tef to nail large groups of people and effectively killing a raid. Not really a CM issue but still the reason I'm not going to pvp anymore.
#3: Combat Medic poisons/diseases being unresistable and not being effected by defensive stats. If a TKM can miss me from 1m then theres no way you should be able to have 100% accuracy from distance. This is an outstanding issue.
#4: Doctors can not keep up with a CM in the rate of curing poison/disease verse them throwing new ones.
#5: Hitting a person who is outside and infecting all people in the area, regardless of walls.
#6: The ability to hit someone with a poison and a disease, die then come back and db them because they were incapped.
#7: Poison/Disease being uneffected by armor or reduced in any way. Not sure what to do about this one, but my 2800 mind bar should not dissapear in 4 ticks (and spider venom from the geo cave allows for 1k+ ticks).
The only way to get around a CM is to become a Ranged Prof/TKM (kill them quick then meditate) or to become a Ranged Prof/Doctor. One on one I can kill a CM, then I need to spend 10 minutes hoping that the local dancer can heal my wounds faster than the disease makes them.
On my server we've now changed our style based on CMs. Fights are fun for the most part for everyone, until they show up.
Usually we keep groups small so doctors can fix stuff.
And most importantly we do not db CMs. We let them 3 incap and if possible more. The longer the CM spends on the ground the less we have to worry about being hit with a completely unresistable attack that targets the entire group from a cowardly red dot 80m away.
I'm sure all of that is just what the devs intended /rollseyes. Now go ahead and flame me so you can keep your prof uber. Just remember, you spend a total of 29 skillpoints (15 for novice) on combat. That doesn't give you a right to be the deciding factor based on your damage. You are a healing support prof.
Message Edited by Kaynab on 03-09-2004 11:31 PM
ThermoMoxin27
Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:55 am
#18
Well i am a CM and I say what needs nerf'd is being able to knock me down with TKA from about 16m's please unreal what is he elastic?
Kaynab
Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:54 am
#19
Biven wrote:Kaynab, agree completly.And one more thing. Only CM can attack in PvP without PvP multiplier (make full damage, instead all other only 25%)
Well logged in after calming down. Went to theed fully buffed (rebel master fencer, master brawler, master rifleman) killed 2 tkms and was group tef poisoned and diseased by a CM. Poison ticked for 700, disease for 200. Scuffled for about 5 minutes (thank god the TKM's didn't have range mitigation so autoattack killed them as I had a 1 mind bar) and hopped on my bike.
What happens 45 seconds later?
"You have been incapacitated."
"You have died, requesting clone..."
Killed by the incap bug, which according to the TOS is considered an exploit. So for now on any CM that hits me with a poison and disease to the same bar will be reported and bugged.
From the 4th post on this whole thread has been about stacking poisons, dps and pvp. I'm really sure you're learning something here.
You don't want to hear the negatives of your class. If you're one of the people that play the class for what it is then I'm sorry. If you're a CM who mixes disease/poison to kill people then no use arguing with you because your narrow mind won't see the tremendous unbalancing this brings. You'll flame away calling people trolls, saying how tough being a CM is (Its not, I was one back before they were good and have a good friend who loves it for the killing) because you are selfish and don't understand that in a month everyone will be a damn CM (its already happening, the best CM on the server just quit because hes tired of all the new fotm people).
I freely admit that warcry2 needs fixed, defense stacking needs fixed and rifleman is a little too powerful. Why is it you can't admit when something is unbalanced?
Message Edited by Kaynab on 03-10-2004 02:00 AM
Kaynab
Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:58 am
#20
Tristarn wrote:
Why do you have to make it so a CM can not just get some information about his own professionon his own forum. All I want is to be able to read about my profession and help others with what I know. It is retarded to keep posting the same complaints over and over on every CM thread started. Stop Trolling!!
Its been proven that unless people whine enough, the devs won't fix it (instead they'll make changes that nobody really wants, like the crafting). With that in mind, the CM forum is where to voice the complaint.
Tristarn
Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:32 am
#22
Kaynab wrote:
Tristarn wrote:
Why do you have to make it so a CM can not just get some information about his own professionon his own forum. All I want is to be able to read about my profession and help others with what I know. It is retarded to keep posting the same complaints over and over on every CM thread started. Stop Trolling!!
Its been proven that unless people whine enough, the devs won't fix it (instead they'll make changes that nobody really wants, like the crafting). With that in mind, the CM forum is where to voice the complaint.
That does not justify hijacking another persons post. Let us talk about our profession, and put your complaints on its own post.
Rchuno
Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:38 am
#23
Schiller wrote:
Rchuno i am not crying.
I have a CM killer template being Rifleman/Master Doc always buffed up to 4k and in 81% base and 39% stun armor and using a 560 max dmg krayted jawa.I never lose to CM i love when they fall and start spaming shít.
I enjoy it, however not everyone can call himself CM killer and i think there should not be a class that could solo an ancient krayt or kill a group of 20 people by stacking desease and poison and leaving them for triple incap.
If they are spamming shiet then they are immature 14 yearolds who need to be spanked by their parents a little more often. I realy don't mind being beaten and congragulate everyone who gets a DB on me because it doesn't happen that often. Only a smart player, such as yourself, will beat me because I play smart.
Also we should be hitting most of the combat professions then because there are stories of almost every profesion doing this. Sure it takes hours but it does for a CM as well.
Where were the docs? They had 20 people with no Docs? They deserve to die. There should have been at leaste 2 docs in that group who heal themselves first, then they start healing others and since the CM is gone they can rez anyone who did tripple incap. (100 seconds to heal everyone so no one should have tripple incapped) So for this example you have a dumb group or realy bad doctors. (I am a doctor and I know that if you use the best resources you can find in your cures they do not fail as they are more powerfull than even the spider venum poisons.)
Tristarn
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:30 pm
#24
Why do you have to make it so a CM can not just get some information about his own professionon his own forum. AllI want is to be able to read about my profession and help others with what I know. It is retarded to keep posting the same complaints over and over on every CM thread started. Stop Trolling!!
Biven
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:52 pm
#25
Kaynab, agree completly.
And one more thing. Only CM can attack in PvP without PvP multiplier (make full damage, instead all other only 25%)
Kaynab
Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:18 pm
#26
Tristarn wrote:
Kaynab wrote:
Tristarn wrote:
Why do you have to make it so a CM can not just get some information about his own professionon his own forum. All I want is to be able to read about my profession and help others with what I know. It is retarded to keep posting the same complaints over and over on every CM thread started. Stop Trolling!!
Its been proven that unless people whine enough, the devs won't fix it (instead they'll make changes that nobody really wants, like the crafting). With that in mind, the CM forum is where to voice the complaint.That does not justify hijacking another persons post. Let us talk about our profession, and put your complaints on its own post.
I didn't hijack, I just went along with what the guy said (who thanked the poster for stating what he did). And it did pertain to the post because stacking disease with poisons is a issue.
Everytime someone makes a post about CM being unbalanced you mod it down and call them whiners. So which is it? Let us voice our opinions in our own threads or we're going to do it in yours. You want both and sorry to inform you, we're not going to let you have both.