Combat Medic Archive

Thread: Instead of Nerfing (first try)

Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:20 pm
#14

I don't mean to be rude but, guys...?


I'm trying to suggest alternatives that might shift the current power of Combat medics (wether owerpowered or not) to a more rounded of (but still powerfull) alternative.
If you boys want a 75% nerfage thread, please feel free to start one yourself and keep this thread to discussing alternatives to doing the 75%.


We've been down that particular avenue so many times I see little point in reiterating our different stances here. It wont bring us anycloser to agreement.


You are free to discuss the eventual flaws of my suggestion and your are free to comment any eventual merits. But if all you have to add is "Combat Medics are to powerful" I would prefer if you didn't waste elctrons on writing it.





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Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:26 am
#15

Of course Milchu, your suggestion is the superior one here
But knowing humanity as I do, I highly doubt people will start to look for ways to adapt and overcome when they can try to have the rules rewritten instead.


I find it intresting that the only non CM answers I have gotten from this thread has been along the lines of "CM must be nerfed, this is imperative." actually looking through all the text and seeing what was suggested wasn't intresting enough I guess.


What most of the non-CM comunity fails to recognize is that just declaring us broken and shouting for 75% nerf orremoval of all our attacks will not be accepted by Combat Medics. Of course we will fight back and refuse nerfal changes. The only viable option will be to offer somthing in return that we feel is of some worth. This is the only viable option to changing any class. You can't remove what has become integral abilities of a profession and offer nothing in return. That will only sour the class-comunity.





Carbicide: "The victimless crime!"
BTW Yes it is true, I've tested it myself, poison only ticks once every TEN seconds!

"I lead with my intellect, wits, example and the big nasty gun that I use to shoot everyone who doesn't follow my orders"
Rennec Bibo, proud owner of some sort of carbine since november 2003.
RCS37
Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:01 am
#16

/sigh you guys think its odd that non-cm are not the ones calling for nerfs?

Get real the only reason cm's anrt calling for nerfs is because your the benefactor of the unbalance that your profestion causes.

You tell me to go learn other profestions you like to think im just a ignorant pvp'r that got beat in pvp and is just mad well im not.

I have been playing this game since day one, i have been on numerous raids and tons of pvp battles the simple fact is the gcw and battles are 90% by who has the best cm with the best mind poisons and diseases.

I fail to see why you cms think your so special to avoid getting the 75% reduction in pvp, cm's are not unbalanced in pve, there unbalanced in pvp.



S y m p s o n
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:50 am
#17






RCS37 wrote:
I fail to see why you cms think your so special to avoid getting the 75% reduction in pvp, cm's are not unbalanced in pve, there unbalanced in pvp.





Because the 75% reduction that everyone is so hot about would place our damage below what is regeneratable. Which in turn would make us entirely worthless.

Another factor that is ironic is that everyone bases their claims for nerf on Master Combat Medics, which would make almost any non Master an unplayable template. Nobody gets suprised when the get their derriere handed to them by a Master TK, right?


But the basis for discussion I wished to provide here was that Nerfs are bad, what ever the profession, but fixes are good. So what fixes could be done if we were to be "fixed"?


Obviously you are not intrested in discussing alternatives, because you are so dead set on reducing Combat Medic Damage with 75%, cinvinced that this would end the combat medic threat. And yes it would, it would also remove the combat medic template totally from the game, except as a stimflinger. And if it was stimflinging I was supposed to do, I'd go with Doctor because that is the supperior support template.
I would love to be able to buff and heal all the diffrent sort of states and damage.

Now, being 100% support is not what I wish to be, I like my poisons and diseases so I can't accept a 75% damage reduction. Provide me with an acceptable alternative, think. I bet you can do it.



Carbicide: "The victimless crime!"
BTW Yes it is true, I've tested it myself, poison only ticks once every TEN seconds!

"I lead with my intellect, wits, example and the big nasty gun that I use to shoot everyone who doesn't follow my orders"
Rennec Bibo, proud owner of some sort of carbine since november 2003.
Houdani
Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:42 am
#18

RCS37 -- Post some numbers, please:



  • How much damage do you normally do(your max damage, not your 75% reduced damage)?

  • How often can you fire?

  • How often do you hit?

  • How much damage do you do with the 75% reduction?

This would give the Combat Medics some perspective and a good reference for how much damage should be dealt by any individual.


H.





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moomoomike
Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:44 am
#19

Everyone here needs to shut up and try to be a Master Combat Medic then come back and try and complain, BOOHOO BH can shoot my mind, How many have been lost to bh "aww screw it im going bh" All of you need to can it and to the original poster SHUT UP noone needs your thoughts, FEED BACK dork and leave it at that.
Galpar
Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:55 am
#20

The GCW has lost many good players, and some have left SWG. When 1 combat medic can rush a group of 10 buffed soldiers and then throw a 'stackable' disease/poison' at them. Then you no longer have Star Wars Galaxies, you have 'I'm dead but i'm hurting all of you so my friends can now tap you and you die' oh and 'I pwned u'.


So, if you happen to notice, that 50% of the people fighting you are tkm, rifleman, pistoleers, commandos, some ch, and the other 50% are CM's the war has left a bitter taste to most noble fighters. When a CM can stack disease/poison so even the best mind buffed player goes down in 2-3 ticks. You got a problem, and they can do this AOE.


I remember when you all cried 'P O K E M O N' wars. Well, seems we need a catchy phrase for this new war... hmmm 'MCCOY' wars... 'He's dead Jim, and he never fired a shot'


Oh and by the way, i loved the CH changes and supported them. I have seen a few CM's also posting that they are too powerful, and you all quickly shoot them down. Yes I have done my research, and tested and I am still amazed at the power 1 person can have to be able to weaken an entire military unit with 1 throw. While his friends wait safely at a distance letting the 'disease/poisons' do their work. Then they come in and heck could use a cdef pistol at that point to knock down the targets.


So, SOE, you want to keep you GCW active and alive. Best look at how many are not actively playing it now. You feared when everyone cried 'Nerf the CH' and you changed it for the better. Now you will start hearing silence from the battlefields again. Oh yes, a group can spread out, sure can, but when they are trying to take over a base, and have to be in the building doing it. And, of course one CM charges and targets the one member in the group thats outside the building, and still can get a AOE hit on all of you in the building. Oh yeah, that's really a good move. Sure, the CM died, but he hit the lone target from 45-60m first and did his job being able to weaken the 7-10 people in the building guarding the base timer.


Am i passionate about the GCW, you bet, nothing has been more fun then when I would fight against noble players like -DARK now FED, and a few other Guilds. Then the Combat Medic guilds showed up and well ruined it for both sides of the fence. But, now the only fun of the GCW is everyone is attacking NPC's only. Well unless your a CM guild and then they cry, no one is going overt anymore, yeah they are all chicken.


Thanks for letting me rant, just I love SWG and used to love the GCW, now, well I will go back to running missions again.



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moomoomike
Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:58 am
#21

Milchu Sorry I over looked your post ... I would like to say what Milchu said . Learn the game you whiners
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:14 am
#22






moomoomike wrote:
Everyone here needs to shut up and try to be a Master Combat Medic then come back and try and complain, BOOHOO BH can shoot my mind, How many have been lost to bh "aww screw it im going bh" All of you need to can it and to the original poster SHUT UP noone needs your thoughts, FEED BACK dork and leave it at that.







1) I am a Master Combat Medic.


2) I am not calling for a nerf. (what I am calling for you have to actually read the post to understand, feel free to ask if something is unclear.)


3) You, sir, are not very civil, a fact that all Combat Medics stand to loose from.


4) Your post was perhaps the most unnessesary in this post, and that says some.


5) What are you trying to say? It is in factentirely unclear, except that you are trying to insult me, which I find mildly annoying but not very insulting.




Carbicide: "The victimless crime!"
BTW Yes it is true, I've tested it myself, poison only ticks once every TEN seconds!

"I lead with my intellect, wits, example and the big nasty gun that I use to shoot everyone who doesn't follow my orders"
Rennec Bibo, proud owner of some sort of carbine since november 2003.
moomoomike
Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:24 am
#23

Cool Ill tell you this You my friend are not the pimp or even a rep of the CM's in this game STOP trying to broker an ecceptable nerf. YOU again are not in the position to try and broker a nerf or what YOU find acceptable. That is what I mean by shut up and put your comments in feed back. I think this a weak attempt at you trying to feel you have control over a crazy horse. This post can be VERY damaging to CM's. If you had been here in beta and the start youd remember the nerfing of pistoleer and saying they were too uber and im not just talking about the pistol whip. Guys would cry nerf because the couldnt beat a pistoleer when they are using a scout blaster and only have pistol 2. So after they gopt the nerf they so badly wanted, they ended up lvling up high enough to compete and thus the nerf wasnt needed. All they needed to do was get off thier newb butts and lvl their char. So that being said we as a community dont need your public broking of CM profession. I dont need to hear "oh im sawee or sry im just a wittle boy that needs to feel in control of my cwazy howsie" Once again SHUT UP
moomoomike
Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:32 am
#24

Oh and i forgot to add. Only this applyed to you "and to the original poster SHUT UP noone needs your thoughts, FEED BACK dork and leave it at that." I wasnt saying you werent a MCM.
Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:46 pm
#25






moomoomike wrote:
Cool Ill tell you this You my friend are not the pimp or even a rep of the CM's in this game STOP trying to broker an ecceptable nerf. YOU again are not in the position to try and broker a nerf or what YOU find acceptable. That is what I mean by shut up and put your comments in feed back. I think this a weak attempt at you trying to feel you have control over a crazy horse. This post can be VERY damaging to CM's. If you had been here in beta and the start youd remember the nerfing of pistoleer and saying they were too uber and im not just talking about the pistol whip. Guys would cry nerf because the couldnt beat a pistoleer when they are using a scout blaster and only have pistol 2. So after they gopt the nerf they so badly wanted, they ended up lvling up high enough to compete and thus the nerf wasnt needed. All they needed to do was get off thier newb butts and lvl their char. So that being said we as a community dont need your public broking of CM profession. I dont need to hear "oh im sawee or sry im just a wittle boy that needs to feel in control of my cwazy howsie" Once again SHUT UP







You do actually expect anyone to read and understand what you are writing when you present it in theis way?


Ok, whatever, I feel sorry that you were so insulted by my tossing around a few Combat Medic ideas on the forum for combat medics. Asking for input from the persons I respect in this matter, the Combat Medics. Well if that was truly damageing to our community I sincerely apologize to anyone who feels that the CM community cannot take any debate.


I felt that the current situation mostly resembles a stalemate and was wondering if there might be other ways around this problem. Apperantly there are no other ways to behave than sticking around tossing insults at the people who come here to cry nerf. Well that's constructive, I'll stick to that. And we will keep hearing calls for 75% nerf and we will keep responding with "You don't know how to play the game, shut up!" Where that will eventually lead I have no idea about, but I guess we'll find out sooner or later.


But if the CM forum and the CM community cannot take debate, then it is allready loosing, bordering on dead. And I feel truly sorry for it.





Carbicide: "The victimless crime!"
BTW Yes it is true, I've tested it myself, poison only ticks once every TEN seconds!

"I lead with my intellect, wits, example and the big nasty gun that I use to shoot everyone who doesn't follow my orders"
Rennec Bibo, proud owner of some sort of carbine since november 2003.
vortexala
Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:54 pm
#26

No need to stop debating anddiscussing thingsbecause some folks dislike the idea, Mild.


Personally, I'm waiting to see what the changes currently lined up will have on Combat Medics before going any further into discussing what should be changed regarding our profession. The crafting changes, the combat revamp, bug fixes...all of these will have serious impact upon our profession. Actively seeking changes prior to seeing where we fall after those things occur may lead us to nerfing ourselves.


But, with that said, it doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss things



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