Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Stop the complaints already.
Ternque01 wrote:
Are you saying that a non-loot-enhanced Cure Pack A can one-shot the nastiest poison you guys have? This 2xxx doc can't counter diseases whatsoever. What good are poison cures if you don't have any hitpoints due to wounds? A 2xxx doctor can slow how fast a CM can kill them, but in the end... A non 4xxx doctor would be victim to a CM at a much slower rate... makes sense.
Gnuut was also talking about AE poisons. If the CM was smart he would hit the 2xxx doc with a single poison. Can a 2xxx doctor one-hit your nastiest single poisons with Cure Pack A's?
Also, I'm quite aware that what poisons you CM's call "nasty" are hardly ever that when you make comparissons and arguments on this board as a whole. Let's start talking some numbers here then i'll ask my CM friends about them for verification.
If a 2xxx doctor cannot one-hit truly nasty single poisons then I'd have to say this argument has little weight. 2xxx docs invest the skillpoints and invest in the food, they should be more effective given the care they give. Furthermore if they cannot cure diseases they aren't really effective are they?
We are talking about poisons not disease. If you want to talk about disease then fine we can use 4xxx as the example. With the current heal delay issue a Doctor doesn't even need to use Havla to cure the nastiest poison with a Cure A pack. Once/If the heal delay issue ever gets fixed then us Doctors will be able to use Havla to still cure nasty poisons with a Cure A. That just isn't right in my book and I am speaking as a Doctor.
I can make a Cure A pack with crappy resources and achieve a base of200 heal. With Doc 4xxxx aplayer has +10 WT given as a bonus to that heal. So now that 4xxx Doc can heal 220 points of poison damage percure. Withzero heal delay that 4xxx Doc can spam the cure andcompletely heal a 1000 pt mind poison. Fix the delay and switch it with Havla and you get the same result. We are talking single cures here, not even AE.That iswhat Gnuut is saying and I agree that is not balanced.
Ternque01 wrote:
yebach wrote:
Ternque01 wrote:
Not quite the stark, standout reason I was looking for but fine I throw you a bone there. You are talking about loot-enhanced cure packs though.
You do fail to mention that a 2xxx can't do anything against diseases at all or that their cure rate is very slow.
For a minute there i thought you were dissapointed about the power of poisons and diseases. To be sure, it would be nice if a player had to hit the poison a few times as a 2xxx doc to cure a nasty poison instead of using loot-enchanced cure packs... especially agains a spider-venom enhanced poison that would be sure to tick once before he could get it off.
Seems these medically enhanced cures/poisons are mucking it up for us all eh?
No you are quite wrong here. With Doctors ability to use Havla and the currently screwed up Heal delay issue a 2xxx Doctor can effectively cure the nastiest AE poison without using Loot components. As far as not being able to cure disease I think he was trying to make a point that a player with little investment in the counter-profession can counter a Master. That is not balance.
Are you saying that a non-loot-enhanced Cure Pack A can one-shot the nastiest poison you guys have? This 2xxx doc can't counter diseases whatsoever. What good are poison cures if you don't have any hitpoints due to wounds? A 2xxx doctor can slow how fast a CM can kill them, but in the end... A non 4xxx doctor would be victim to a CM at a much slower rate... makes sense.
Gnuut was also talking about AE poisons. If the CM was smart he would hit the 2xxx doc with a single poison. Can a 2xxx doctor one-hit your nastiest single poisons with Cure Pack A's?
Also, I'm quite aware that what poisons you CM's call "nasty" are hardly ever that when you make comparissons and arguments on this board as a whole. Let's start talking some numbers here then i'll ask my CM friends about them for verification.
If a 2xxx doctor cannot one-hit truly nasty single poisons then I'd have to say this argument has little weight. 2xxx docs invest the skillpoints and invest in the food, they should be more effective given the care they give. Furthermore if they cannot cure diseases they aren't really effective are they?
ok.....now your view is skewed
a cure A pack can be applied and re applied for an accumulation of effectivness reducing a C poison to nothing. A CM poison A pack will not increase in effectivness with each application of the same A pack.
Proper balance would have been if the Dev's made cures to be more of a poison pack working in reverse. A doctor would have the choice of applying the cure (buff) before a battle or during the battle, There would be a time limit on the buff and a CM would need to overcome the cure effectivness with his poisons before any damage tick would be applied. The way things are now, all a PvP group needs to do is huddle around a doctor spamming Area A cure to block 100% of any CM poison damagethis istotaly unbalanced,
vortexala wrote:
Gnuut wrote:
When a doctor with 2xxx skill can cure the nastiest AE poisons a Master CM tosses with a level A cure pack then that is unbalanced and doesn't cut it.
Just to note: The new items(C Level cures/innocs)are supposed to require a full 100 MU. And there is no way to reduce the MU at all.
Also, the As and Bs are supposed to be at least 70MU.
Message Edited by vortexala on 07-31-2004 11:41 AM
Which would help balance things nicely as +100 MU requires both master doctor and master CM.
100 MU only requires Master Doctor. CMs have CMU.
Ternque01 wrote:
vortexala wrote:
Gnuut wrote:
When a doctor with 2xxx skill can cure the nastiest AE poisons a Master CM tosses with a level A cure pack then that is unbalanced and doesn't cut it.
Just to note: The new items(C Level cures/innocs)are supposed to require a full 100 MU. And there is no way to reduce the MU at all.
Also, the As and Bs are supposed to be at least 70MU.
Message Edited by vortexala on 07-31-2004 11:41 AM
Which would help balance things nicely as +100 MU requires both master doctor and master CM.