Combat Medic Archive

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Tenfo wrote:

Combat Medics are very much needed in tough dungeons like the corvette and DWB.

Don't underestimate your value just because doctors can now cure your poison / disease which was overpowered in PvP.

Mind heal is extremely valuable as well in tight situations.

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So you are saying that mind heal is worth 169 points? Sorry but even I as a Doctor think that is BS. Mind heal has a limited use because it is debilitating to the CM who uses it. Unless the CM is a TKA or has an SL and several TKAs to help with the wounds then that one skill will render them useless within a few heals. I beleive in diversity and groups etc but I don't think the CM profession must have other professions present or be forced into a profession just to have one of their few core abilities remain useful.

Not to mention from what I have read is that the heal is random at best. I had a CM helaing my mind pool in the DWB for 1000 one time and then another time had to use the ability 3 times in succession to bring back my mind at 300ish a heal. That is way too random for such a self-damaging ability. CMs have told me the skill doesn't even scale up at Master! The wounds at the very least should be lessened if you are a Master CM.

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DarkJurai wrote:
Combat Medics have area heals, ranged heals, mind heals, and poisons and diseases. However, break each one of those down- Area and Ranged heals are almost rendered ineffectual due to 2500 point buffs to healing substats in Health and Action Pools. We only need the heals if our teammates are unbuffed by a doctor. Mind heals are almost impossible to effectively use due to the mind wounds they incur on us. We cant effectively heal that pool, without needing ours fixed by a doctor/Jedi. Poisons and diseases are going to be useless, when not only can a doctor innoculate against them, but even if we land them, within the 10 seconds it takes to get to the area on a battlefield and hit the area heal, it's gone.

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Pahdbacca wrote:

Ahhhhh.... I beg to differ. The mind wounds on the mind heal are rough. Very rough. Even with ahrisa, brandy and a full set of entertainer buffs, those wounds add up and hinder the other CM abilities very quickly. True, wearing armor prevents the secondary stat wounds, but that still means you don't get the value for those stats. I let it be known in my groups that I will heal mind, but only in emergencies....it is not an excuse to not bring your mind food and go willy-nilly with the specials.

It is long proven that the CM mindheal ability is not imbalancing. Converting it to a ranged stim and/or reducing the wound cost should be examined.

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Jedi-scout wrote:

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Pahdbacca wrote:

Ahhhhh.... I beg to differ. The mind wounds on the mind heal are rough. Very rough. Even with ahrisa, brandy and a full set of entertainer buffs, those wounds add up and hinder the other CM abilities very quickly. True, wearing armor prevents the secondary stat wounds, but that still means you don't get the value for those stats. I let it be known in my groups that I will heal mind, but only in emergencies....it is not an excuse to not bring your mind food and go willy-nilly with the specials.

It is long proven that the CM mindheal ability is not imbalancing. Converting it to a ranged stim and/or reducing the wound cost should be examined.

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You forget that you cap on mind wounds, and can eventually do mind heals for free?

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It seems that in the part you quoted me, I was very consious of the cap on mind wounds. "True, wearing armor prevents the secondary stat wounds, but that still means you don't get the value for those stats."

Healing mind after 1100 of mind wound damage is not doing mind heals for free, in my book. What is the base mind value for your CM that the wounds cap at?

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DarkJurai wrote:

Maybe Combat Medics should have been given the innoculations instead?

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Or short of that, shift some of the doctor related combat healng to CM. State heals and revives are the obvious candidates.

As a MD/MCM, I would ultimately like to see them rebalance CM skill point costs via addition to CMs rather than shifting skills. In particular, I would like to see non-damaging offensive abilities, like area state changes (stuns, blinds, etc). These already have a natural counters in squad leaders (group level) and doctors (single target) and skill mods so they wouldn't be considered to unbalancing. Well, unless we got a area knockdown/dizzy...

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oOoOo Offensive stat packs, that would be fun.

I can see blind & Dizzy as offensive parks. Stun and intimidate don't make much sense.

To the original poster, +50 terrain neg and +10 burstrun eff. come with being a MCM as well.

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AxilX wrote:

even if you got nothing at all put the mind heal, CM would be worth every single point. and psn'd have *not* been rendered completely ineffective, spamming them still ties down doctors, and still decimates a group who doesn't have a decent combat doc... it just takes slightly longer to get it to stick. CM is far from broken, in fact it's still one of the most powerful PvP professions in the game... maybe after this latest balance some decent PvP'ers will actually pick up the profession.. on my server no PvP'er worth anything would touch it with a ten foot pole, for fear of being laughed at by the entire community.... now that it's semi-balanced, your more likely to see the true potential of the CM. As the better players will give it a serious look.

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combat doc? lol i thought there was 2 classes, Doctors and Combat medics.

Combat medics must waste 29 more skill points for "ranged" meds , yet Docs now have "ranged" meds also , when they getting the 29 point hit?

Message Edited by R-a-g-e1 on 08-11-2004 06:28 AM

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TKA-MC wrote:

Doc's also do not have an attack that level's players. I agree with you though.

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Neither do Combat Medics now. And thats done with a enhance poison resist A innoculation.

So much for my poison C packs.

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R-a-g-e1 wrote:

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AxilX wrote:

even if you got nothing at all put the mind heal, CM would be worth every single point. and psn'd have *not* been rendered completely ineffective, spamming them still ties down doctors, and still decimates a group who doesn't have a decent combat doc... it just takes slightly longer to get it to stick. CM is far from broken, in fact it's still one of the most powerful PvP professions in the game... maybe after this latest balance some decent PvP'ers will actually pick up the profession.. on my server no PvP'er worth anything would touch it with a ten foot pole, for fear of being laughed at by the entire community.... now that it's semi-balanced, your more likely to see the true potential of the CM. As the better players will give it a serious look.

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combat doc? lol i thought there was 2 classes, Doctors and Combat medics.

Combat medics must waste 29 more skill points for "ranged" meds , yet Docs now have "ranged" meds also , when they getting the 29 point hit?

Message Edited by R-a-g-e1 on 08-11-2004 06:28 AM

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Tenfo wrote:

Combat Medics are very much needed in tough dungeons like the corvette and DWB. Thats two places in the entire game. That also isn't a cash cow, doesn't get us any decent loot unless you're a pistoleer, doesn't get us enough cash to justify using our ranged heals instead of the others using their stimB's. Top it off with the fact that area heals aren't even really needed in there. Combat Medic abilities are negated by a creature handler and someone who knows how to kick start a group of people into following his orders.

Don't underestimate your value just because doctors can now cure your poison / disease which was overpowered in PvP. Poison/disease was the last really useful ability we had. Our heals aren't needed anywhere else and mind healing puts you at risk. Come to think of it most of our abilities are negated thanks to Doctor enhancements. This change still didn't address the reason poison and disease was so powerful in PvP.

Mind heal is extremely valuable as well in tight situations. Its about as useful as blue milk. Great for a few shots but in the long run its going to reduce any medical or combat effectiveness you have. Kinda hard to fire a ranged weapon when you MIND is down to 100, have 300+battlefatigue, and most of you MIND bars are black with wounds. It sucks even more when you KNOW that this ability is going to be nerfed into uselessness after the HAM rebalance when the MIND pool becomes easily healable.

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Message Edited by Brainplay on 08-11-2004 04:48 AM