Combat Medic Archive
Thread: Just a opinion on poison...
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Sudasinio
Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:28 pm
#1
Why is it that disease only effects the unbuffed portion of the mind when poison doesnt? I mean honestly if they were to do that or if it was suggested it would change the way CMs and other PvPers think. Disease only effects the unbuffed mind, why not poisons? Resist buff packs on certain servers I have noticed have none of the meat or resources ever in shift to make decent resist packs. I am not saying I dont like CMs its just an opinion. I have never been killed by a CM alone, but I am saying it takes away the fun for some people on both sides rebel and imperial.
This fix or whatever you wanna call it could also effect DOT weapons aswell CM isnt the only ones with poison but the majority of it is. I am sure people wouldnt like me posting in here about this but its just a suggestion towards what should be an easy fix that could be made until the combat balance.
If you were to think about it, say you have 3200 mind including buffs and all that junk. 1000 is your base mind before buffs you get diseased put on fire whatever and end up with 1k mind wounds that brings you down to 2200 mind now if you then have a poison on you that is ticking for 800-1100 every sec and that would bring your mind down to the base you originally started with. It would make PvP longer and funner in my opinon. Once again that is all this is, not saying it should happen but its a logical fix.
Message Edited by Sudasinio on 01-23-2005 11:32 AM
ShinjoKazuki
Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:29 pm
#2
Well disease only effects the unbuffed portion of mind because it was easily bugged into triple incaping someone to 1/1 mind the rest disesase so when you incaped you were incaped for like 4565415 seconds til a csr came to help you, it was a form of griefing too when pvp was mostly clone and die in ancorhead... the way poison is now is the way it should be , the ticks a ltitle too insane but besides that cm is pretty balanced, cheap but balanced
Arxeon
Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:31 pm
#3
I like that idea, but I also would like to add another suggestion that may be a possible quick fix before the combat revamp. This has been a problem that has been ignored since pvp reduction came into the game (over a year). That is, nothing in the medical system is affected by the pvp reduction, and that also carries over into lootedDOT weapons. Here is an example of what I mean:
PvE: You hit for 2000 damage......You take 2000 damage to your health.....You heal 2000 damage to your health.....Your DOT weapon or CM DOT does 500 damage.
PvP: You hit for 500 dmg 4 times (200)......Your opponent takes 2000 dmg over 4 hits....Your opponent heals 2000 damage....You are hit with a DOT for 500 damage.
In pvp only normal weapon damage is reduced. Healing is not reduced for pvp, and neither are CM DOTs or looted weapon DOTs. This is just asking everyone who wants to be sucessful in PvP to pick up a certain amount of medic, and to use CM DOTs or looted DOT weapons to do damage (usually mind, since only CM's can heal that--mind healing is also not PvP reduced).
This causes an endless cycle of damaging and healing, while your opponent sits back and lets the DOTs work on you. Everyone knows the combat system in this game isn't even close to balanced, thus the reason for the revamp. However, if the "medical system" were given the PvP reduction, PvP wouldnt be all about who has the best DOT weapon or poisons, and who can keep healing their damage over and over again. It seems like adding the 75% reduction to this would be simple and quick, however I do not know for sure.
Message Edited by Arxeon on 01-23-2005 02:57 PM
Sudasinio
Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:49 pm
#4
ShinjoKazuki wrote:
Well disease only effects the unbuffed portion of mind because it was easily bugged into triple incaping someone to 1/1 mind the rest disesase so when you incaped you were incaped for like 4565415 seconds til a csr came to help you, it was a form of griefing too when pvp was mostly clone and die in ancorhead... the way poison is now is the way it should be , the ticks a ltitle too insane but besides that cm is pretty balanced, cheap but balanced
"Cheap but balanced" I dont see where its balanced. I think you missed the point totally in the post I had made. Poisons should either get a damage reducion in PvP like arxeon said or they should only effect the unbuffed portion of the mind. Combat medics in my opinion should be there for group support not "Chemical Warfare Experts." For every 1 CM that is a group support guy there are 10that aren't. It was just an opionion on making poisons effect unbuffed portion of what ever stat the poison is being applied to...
Marssk
Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:15 pm
#5
Combat medics in my opinion should be there for group support not "Chemical Warfare Experts." For every 1 CM that is a group support guy there are 10that aren't.
if you could get combat medic andpeople ina few seconds, or keep on healing and healing and healing your friends, and not using poisons, what would you do?
the best way to support you side is to kill the other side before they can hurt your side
Obata
Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:22 pm
#6
Diseases stop giving wounds at 1 less than the unbuffed pool because if they didn't, the target would end up permanently incapped when the buff drops. That is not the case with poisons, as they only cause wounds.
Arxeon
Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:20 pm
#7
Cheap but balanced? That's an oxymoron.
You still get triple incaped when you have poison and disease on the same stat, that hasn't changed.
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Well disease only effects the unbuffed portion of mind because it was easily bugged into triple incaping someone to 1/1 mind the rest disesase so when you incaped you were incaped for like 4565415 seconds til a csr came to help you, it was a form of griefing too when pvp was mostly clone and die in ancorhead... the way poison is now is the way it should be , the ticks a ltitle too insane but besides that cm is pretty balanced, cheap but balanced
Suda knows that. I think it was a rhetorical "why." I think he is just giving a suggestion that might stop CM's and weilders of nice DOT weapons from being all powerful in PvP.
>Diseases stop giving wounds at 1 less than the unbuffed pool because if they didn't, the target would end up permanently incapped when the buff drops.
Mustelafuro
Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:12 am
#8
You don't always get 3 capped, once you max out in wounds, disease is worthless. It can't hurt you except for some bf. With the slow tick on disease, and considering how fast pvp fights are, it doesn't play in much. I throw em to be just plain mean 
Keeps ppl from cloner running if they come out blackbarred....lol That and toss em on jedi to give them something to do.
Keeps ppl from cloner running if they come out blackbarred....lol That and toss em on jedi to give them something to do.Quit whining about cm's, we're here, figure out ways to beat us or get around us. Same thing we did with jedi. Both are easy to handle if you do it right.
Happymob
Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:44 am
#9
I should retest this, but I think battle fatigue stops once the you are maxed on wounds for a stat.
Mustelafuro wrote:
You don't always get 3 capped, once you max out in wounds, disease is worthless. It can't hurt you except for some bf.
Obata
Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:14 pm
#10
Happymob wrote:
I should retest this, but I think battle fatigue stops once the you are maxed on wounds for a stat.
Mustelafuro wrote:
You don't always get 3 capped, once you max out in wounds, disease is worthless. It can't hurt you except for some bf.
You're right. The BF comes from taking wounds, if you can't take any more wounds, you won't get any more BF.
ShinjoKazuki
Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:02 pm
#11
Obata wrote:
Happymob wrote:I should retest this, but I think battle fatigue stops once the you are maxed on wounds for a stat.
Mustelafuro wrote:You don't always get 3 capped, once you max out in wounds, disease is worthless. It can't hurt you except for some bf.
You're right. The BF comes from taking wounds, if you can't take any more wounds, you won't get any more BF.
<3 willpower/ focus disease
EseellKalnim
Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:25 am
#12
Obata wrote:
Happymob wrote:I should retest this, but I think battle fatigue stops once the you are maxed on wounds for a stat.
Mustelafuro wrote:You don't always get 3 capped, once you max out in wounds, disease is worthless. It can't hurt you except for some bf.
You're right. The BF comes from taking wounds, if you can't take any more wounds, you won't get any more BF.
I was under the impression that once you're full on wounds you take additional BF damage as a penalty for being blackbarred. I could be wrong, I've never formally tested it, but I know my BF shoots up like a rocket if I mindheal with a blackbarred mind.
buellronin
Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:09 pm
#13
cm is not unstoppable there are 3 ways to beat them
resist buffs
doc
warcry
i am a cm doc and melee
i will fight any pure cm to prove the point cm alone is weak
i will poision you heal the poision on me while you are warcried and go to town dealing damage on you
cm alone is weak i can beat any cm one on one hands down
people loose to them cause they are not prepared
buell
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