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Thread: Any CM's out there use their profession to heal, and not to hurt?

DarthVillanus
Tue May 18, 2004 6:34 am
#1



There are a few cm's I respect on my server. The main reason for this is that they use their profession to heal and not to hurt. They spend more time healing their group and healing mind at the cost of wounds to themselves. Unfortunately a large chunk of the cm population are simply pvp'ers who took up the prof to be uber. Most of them probably don't even have ranged stims, just stocked to the brim with the best poisons and diseases they can fine. They don't worry about their group members. Their only concern is throwing poison and disease. These are the cm's that give cma bad name imo.


So is there any other cm's out there that spend more time healing their group from a distance than poisoning or diseasing?

Message Edited by DarthVillanus on 05-18-2004 06:35 AM



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Loonytic
Tue May 18, 2004 6:39 am
#2

our healing is underpowered, I'm tired of seeing you have healedjoe for 10 points after he's just used a stim B to heal himself, and uber buffs regen damage so quickly combat is down to mind damage and I'm not going to spam /healmind with the wounds it gives.
RebPointer
Tue May 18, 2004 8:57 am
#3


I for one view CM as a combat class first. That in mind, I usually end up using my ranged stims, just as much as my poison/disease. I don't believe you know a "few" CM's on your server that only use CM for"healing". Even a CM/DOC willtake advantage of poison/disease during PvP battles, otherwise they're justbeing aknucklehead.


P.S. I have gone into battle as the only healer, and that be my main purpose in the group. Even then, Istill take the opportunity to drop a poison/disease when I can.


SioBabble
Tue May 18, 2004 9:07 am
#4

Tazz spent a lot more time healing than hurting.


Jeffn will do the same.




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Gnuut
Tue May 18, 2004 9:15 am
#5


I want the Combat Medic profession to be all about healing. I want it to be the end all be all of combat healing. As it is, we are nowhere near that point. Currently we can only heal 5 out of 13 types of Combat Damage. Doctor buffs boost regen rates to the point where our healing is negligible. Well made Stim Bs give any player with Novice Medic the ability to completely heal themselves in the heat of combat.


You know what? Speaking as a Combat Medic I'd say you can take away all my diseases and poisons the day you allow CMs to be the only class that can heal while in combat. What I mean is that Docs and Medics would not be able to heal at all unless they are out of combat.


If healing was restricted to non-combat only then I think you would see the CMs usefulness rise. You would see less templates out there that are more or less invulnerable because they can completely heal themselves. You would see less Doctors in combat and more of them would have to take their healing roles seriously instead of as an afterthought in combat.




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DarthVillanus
Tue May 18, 2004 9:21 am
#6




Rebpointer wrote:


I for one view CM as a combat class first. That in mind, I usually end up using my ranged stims, just as much as my poison/disease. I don't believe you know a "few" CM's on your server that only use CM for"healing". Even a CM/DOC willtake advantage of poison/disease during PvP battles, otherwise they're justbeing aknucklehead.







That's just it. CM is not supposed to be a offensive combat class. With the current system, cm is the most powerful class. DPS doesn't matter when your poisons go through armor and can affect entire groups. Yes every cm has poisoned someone at least once, but only a select few go into battle thinking "I need to keep my group healed" rather than the usual "I wonder how many ppl I can poison and black bar?"



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white96cobra
Tue May 18, 2004 9:30 am
#7

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DarthVillanus
Tue May 18, 2004 9:36 am
#8

/pointat Ariodea


one of the cms I actually like





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white96cobra
Tue May 18, 2004 9:41 am
#9

Lol you say that now.



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DarthVillanus
Tue May 18, 2004 9:47 am
#10

Just dont gtef poison me and I'm happy



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| Kalon Wiekog - Dark Jedi Knight |
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"I don't like the CU" --Every selfish Loot Hoor in the game

jfang
Tue May 18, 2004 10:01 am
#11






DarthVillanus wrote:




Rebpointer wrote:


I for one view CM as a combat class first. That in mind, I usually end up using my ranged stims, just as much as my poison/disease. I don't believe you know a "few" CM's on your server that only use CM for"healing". Even a CM/DOC willtake advantage of poison/disease during PvP battles, otherwise they're justbeing aknucklehead.







That's just it. CM is not supposed to be a offensive combat class. With the current system, cm is the most powerful class. DPS doesn't matter when your poisons go through armor and can affect entire groups. Yes every cm has poisoned someone at least once, but only a select few go into battle thinking "I need to keep my group healed" rather than the usual "I wonder how many ppl I can poison and black bar?"







At the risk of turing this to another generic "nerf CM" thread (which I *really* hope it doesn't)...


DarthVillanus, there has been no documentation that the primary purpose of combat medics is not supposed to be offensive. The only statement we got was from the devs several months ago saying that poisons and disease are working as intended (which they may or may not be currently). For all we know, devs originally wanted combat medics to be offensive weapons, then as an afterthought gave them area stims to make them more medicy (unlikely, but possible). All the comments you hear of "combat medics are support characters and should only be able to stim" are personal opinions from individual players, not from any statement from the devs.


A thread similar to this was posted a few weeks ago, and to reiterate the findings, I think something like 9/10 people who posted there said they were more interested inand spent more time healing people than poisoning/diseasing/greifing others. However, the exact number escapes me. Just keep in mind that the fact that the majority of posts in the forum are in regards to PvP poisons does not mean most CM's on the forum (let alone all CMs) are uninterested PvE or healing. It's more the fact that there really isn't much to talk about in regards to pure healing (considering how it's more or less just tossing area stims and mind heals, you can talk about timing and techniques and stories, but it's not that complicated an idea). Cross that with the non-CMs who cry nerf (which are then counterflamed, etc), and this is why it looks like all CMs are PvP griefers who never carry an area stim.



Loonytic, in regards to your "healing being worthless", I would have two comments. The first is that if you never are healing people for anything substantial, it might be that you are not fighting strong enough mobs. I know when I was in a group of 5 people fighting a peko peko albatross, my cures were very useful. If yourheals aren't being used, you either aren't fighting hard enough creatures, or your party members aren't taking full advantage of their or your skills.


The second is that even if a person can completely heal himself or herself in combat (which I do not completely agree with), the fact is that a combat medic lets them not. You let them avoid spending four seconds healing (and the breaking of their concentration, macro, and using mind points associated with it) by healing them for them. When I am in a party, the behavior of people considerably changes in combat (they spam stronger specials, stay more grouped, don't start running away when they reach half HAM, etc). We might not be *needed* in combat (much like you don't *need* a rifleman, teras kasi, or squad leader), but we open possibilities and augument the abilities in a group beyond simply being another warm body in the party.
Morganite
Tue May 18, 2004 10:40 am
#12

Yes, it amazes me that even having the name combat in our title people still are stupid enough to think we have no place having combat abilities.





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Kaynab
Tue May 18, 2004 7:10 pm
#13



DarthVillanus wrote:
There are a few cm's I respect on my server. The main reason for this is that they use their profession to heal and not to hurt. They spend more time healing their group and healing mind at the cost of wounds to themselves. Unfortunately a large chunk of the cm population are simply pvp'ers who took up the prof to be uber. Most of them probably don't even have ranged stims, just stocked to the brim with the best poisons and diseases they can fine. They don't worry about their group members. Their only concern is throwing poison and disease. These are the cm's that give cm a bad name imo.
So is there any other cm's out there that spend more time healing their group from a distance than poisoning or diseasing?

Message Edited by DarthVillanus on 05-18-2004 06:35 AM





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