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Thread: Our mayor just deleted our R 5 City coz he was losing

SpyhunterUK
Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:45 pm
#1

Dammit! This is rubbish. Myself and others have put loads of effort intogetting the city to a Metropolis. (Old Medalvale, Rori on Bria).


Then 30 mins before the election ended (which he was clearly going to lose), he deleted every city structure inc, shuttleport and City Hall.


86 citizens r now stuck in the middle of nowhere, 2000m from the nearest shuttleport and camped out with a bunch of creatures. My cl 1 M/merchant got his arse kicked after packing up his house.


Question: a number of citizens have placed cantinas, theatre and hospitals. How long do they have to redeed these? Will they (and the contents) just be destroyed with the next server update.


I know the long term solution is to just place a new city hall and get every1 to declare citizen ship, but who wants to leave 2000m from the nearest shuttleport? Maybe I could set up a bus service when I get the 8 seater skiff? hmmm. All Aboard!



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Zeon_Zaku
Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:02 pm
#2

Wow, that really sounds. He sounds like quite the soar loser.

But I'm afraid there isn't a whole lot that can be done. Either put ina new city hall and wait a few weeks to get back up to the rank it was at before, or move to another city. The people with cantinas and such should have enough time, seeing as they're privately-owned structures, they should stay up even if the city isn't around... as long as they pay the maintaince.



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Khristen
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:07 pm
#3

I would recommend filing a CSR ticket ASAP. Destroying a city because they were losing an election has been considered harassment by CSRs in the past. It may be possible to restore the city if this is done quickly enough.






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Lipe
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:51 pm
#4

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RynnnDraggon
Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:12 pm
#5






Khristen wrote:

I would recommend filing a CSR ticket ASAP. Destroying a city because they were losing an election has been considered harassment by CSRs in the past. It may be possible to restore the city if this is done quickly enough.









Although I feel sorry for the poster, I was told that if someone Builds up a city from ground up, and the Mayour has made the payments and what not, it was that Mayours right to destroy his city for any reason.


I agree with submitting a CSR ticket, but it was his city to do with as he pleased.


Just like we mayours have the right to /citybann anyone we chose to, for any reason.


I do feel for the Original Poster, but don't hold your breath to much to getting your city back. You might get the same response that someone else got, and that was that it was the mayours right to do with his/her city that they wanted. /shrug.


Good luck and hope it turns out for the better part for you and the citizens,





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arkadyfolkner
Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:31 pm
#6

I feel for you man, hope this gets resolved.
LordVerminaard
Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:39 am
#7

Keep us updated as to what happens please.




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Khristen
Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:46 am
#8






RynnnDraggon wrote:


Although I feel sorry for the poster, I was told that if someone Builds up a city from ground up, and the Mayour has made the payments and what not, it was that Mayours right to destroy his city for any reason.


I agree with submitting a CSR ticket, but it was his city to do with as he pleased.


Just like we mayours have the right to /citybann anyone we chose to, for any reason.


I do feel for the Original Poster, but don't hold your breath to much to getting your city back. You might get the same response that someone else got, and that was that it was the mayours right to do with his/her city that they wanted. /shrug.


Good luck and hope it turns out for the better part for you and the citizens,







It doesn't matter if they've put every credit into the treasury, a Mayor does not "own" a Player City. It is a community, not someone's personal property. The Mayor is the caretaker and can govern as they see fit while in office, but citizens would not have the ability to vote them out if it was the Mayor's personal property.





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GlargTheKelfn
Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:57 am
#9



Khristen wrote:


RynnnDraggon wrote:

Although I feel sorry for the poster, I was told that if someone Builds up a city from ground up, and the Mayour has made the payments and what not, it was that Mayours right to destroy his city for any reason.

I agree with submitting a CSR ticket, but it was his city to do with as he pleased.

Just like we mayours have the right to /citybann anyone we chose to, for any reason.

I do feel for the Original Poster, but don't hold your breath to much to getting your city back. You might get the same response that someone else got, and that was that it was the mayours right to do with his/her city that they wanted. /shrug.

Good luck and hope it turns out for the better part for you and the citizens,



It doesn't matter if they've put every credit into the treasury, a Mayor does not "own" a Player City. It is a community, not someone's personal property. The Mayor is the caretaker and can govern as they see fit while in office, but citizens would not have the ability to vote them out if it was the Mayor's personal property.






just for the sake of argument, if the mayor can govern as they see fit, doesn't that include disbanding the city?


and before i get gang-forumed here, i think this is a craptacular thing to do. imh, when there is an election active, civic structures should not be allowed to be deleted and hte city should not be able to be disbanded during that time either.




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HudsenH
Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:16 am
#10

I have to agree here. There should be times when you cannot destory civic structured to prevent stuff like this. Destroying the city like that is not a good sportsman like conduct, but it is given to us as an option. There are a lot of stuff regarding cities that needs to be changed. Politician, city structures, the level of cities, and a few more. It would be nice to see an overhaul of the way cities get ran, but that probably wont happen for a long time.



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Jhett
Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:17 am
#11

The problem is that there is ALWAYs an election running. Personally, I would to see the whole election thing re-revamped. Make it so that there is a period when an election isn't running. Say, maybe a month with no elections and then a two week election.


As for the guy playing devil's advocate here, I kind of agree with him. The whole thing abut losing your city sucks, yes. But it is built in game mechanics that allowed this to happen in the first place. But don't think that this is merely a SWG issue. Look at all the things that lame duck politicians IRL do. When you have nothing to lose, "why not" seems to often be the mentality.


Ok. I just had a thought. Why not make it so that city halls CANNOT be destroyed? Make them only removable by emptying out the treasury. There is a cap on how much can be taken out daily, right? So if there is enough in the treasury to always cover three weeks worth, this sort of thing can never happen. No city destruction = no city griefing, either by this sort of thing, or by the people who cross-server raid towns just for fun.




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LoboCA
Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:19 am
#12



Khristen wrote:


RynnnDraggon wrote:

Although I feel sorry for the poster, I was told that if someone Builds up a city from ground up, and the Mayour has made the payments and what not, it was that Mayours right to destroy his city for any reason.

I agree with submitting a CSR ticket, but it was his city to do with as he pleased.

Just like we mayours have the right to /citybann anyone we chose to, for any reason.

I do feel for the Original Poster, but don't hold your breath to much to getting your city back. You might get the same response that someone else got, and that was that it was the mayours right to do with his/her city that they wanted. /shrug.

Good luck and hope it turns out for the better part for you and the citizens,



It doesn't matter if they've put every credit into the treasury, a Mayor does not "own" a Player City. It is a community, not someone's personal property. The Mayor is the caretaker and can govern as they see fit while in office, but citizens would not have the ability to vote them out if it was the Mayor's personal property.






What part of "Purchasing the City Hall then placing it" isn't part of "owning" a player city. It cost the mayor some amount of credits and/or resources to place that City Hall. All the citizens do is declare citizenship. If they don't like who the mayor is, they can move out. They can also try and elect someone else to be mayor. If the current mayor decides that the citizens don't deserve the work he put into the town, it's his choice to destroy the city as he sees fit. See, he "owns" the city.

Now, if the mayor were elected into an existing city, then destroys the city at his leisure, that is a failure on the diplomatic part of either the mayor himself, or the citizens. The citizens elected him, trusting in his responsibility and good will. If they wanted someone else in his position, they should have figured out a way to have him resign peacefully.

Just because someone is a "Bad Sport", doesn't mean they have done anything wrong. It may be morally wrong, but morality has nothing to do with a game.

The election should be in there in case the mayor decides he doesn't want to be mayor any more. Then he can pass the torch onto someone that does want to be mayor.

If cities were meant to be communities, then it wouldn't cost the mayor anything to place a town, and there would be a city council. Cities in SWG are organized more like a military establishment. One "general" that says the way things are done.




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MonkeyManII
Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:48 pm
#13

i thought he was just keeping the city til he mastered politician then deleting it



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