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I use a +733 Vegerian Canape (or two) with two Vassarian Brandy +433. (You know that you have seperate stomachs for food and drink?) Yes, you can go 100 drink and 100 food at the same time.

--Nyyx, Master Chef on Eclipse

Yes, i am aware there are two stomachs. I have been a chef for over 6 months.

Your response did not even address my question.

Many of my customers are wanting to be able to take more than just mind enhancers, which is why im trying to work on getting filling down so that they will have more options than just being full of Brandy and Vagnerian.

Message Edited by Vodokar on 03-19-2004 09:36 AM

Well, if you are just looking to be able to pop all 3, I had no problem getting my vagnerian to 33 filling with something like a +600 buff with a heavy nutritional additive. Didn't take that many points if I recall. I actually made several different versions of canape(one with about a +730ish buff and around 39 fill, one with about 630ish buff and around 35 fill, and then one around 600ish buff with 33 fill) in hopes that my customers would let me know what they like by which ones they bought first. That didn't work out to well as everyone bought it just because noone else seemed to be offering it LOL. That sure backfired . I think I'll just be offering mine at 33 filling anyway because if someone wants to have a continuous buff going, they're going to need it like that anyway.

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Jihadic wrote:
Well, if you are just looking to be able to pop all 3, I had no problem getting my vagnerian to 33 filling with something like a +600 buff with a heavy nutritional additive. Didn't take that many points if I recall. I actually made several different versions of canape(one with about a +730ish buff and around 39 fill, one with about 630ish buff and around 35 fill, and then one around 600ish buff with 33 fill) in hopes that my customers would let me know what they like by which ones they bought first. That didn't work out to well as everyone bought it just because noone else seemed to be offering it LOL. That sure backfired . I think I'll just be offering mine at 33 filling anyway because if someone wants to have a continuous buff going, they're going to need it like that anyway.

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True, I had posed this question to many of my customers, mostly my guild customers, since we have our own private discussion forums and they dilineated to me there were 2 distinct needs and philosophies for pvp and pve.

PVP, they only care about the buff size, stronger the better and to heck with anything else. Because life expectancy is very short in pvp, they could care less about filling or duration. Thats the easy one, simply use the very best PE/OQ ratio fruits can get your hands on, a heavy nutritional, all points possible into nutrition and pump up the volume, as they say.

It's the PVE version, where there are so many options to consider that my main design decisions lie. They are really impressed with all the different types of foods out there and want to be able to squeeze in what they can while still having their mind buff covered. I was able to get the 33% unenhanced pretty easily. Actually, with the right DR/OQ fruits and all points into filling, got it as low as 29%, but decided to go with 33% and a more balanced aproach, since couldn't reach that 25% magic number. They chose filling to be more important for pve than duration and buff size because they feel that for most things, one or two dose of BE Brandy and one dose of Vagnerian is sufficient for pve and more is overkill in most situations.

At any rate, my question really is when enhancing this 33% filling version, would you use a nutritional or a filling tissue?

Message Edited by Vodokar on 03-19-2004 10:03 AM

Message Edited by mrthx on 03-19-2004 10:21 AM

I think that if you use a filling it will be far below the 33% mark but not sure. I think it is safest and easier to go with heavy nutrients and just experiment the filling down. But you might have to use a filling enhancement to get it low enough to where you can take such things as synthsteak, citrossnowcake and possibly dodge foods(if the former and latter even work).

I personally find that 33% filling sells well but still people look at the highest effect and dont realize its less buffing. My stats are 10min duration 670 to focus and willpower and 33filling and I think 6 charges.

I was able to get filling down as low as 29% without the filling tissue, so i'm expecting could get it as low as 19% oreven lesswith a heavy filling tissue.

However, the stats with the nutritional look pretty decent also, provided i can keep filling at 33%.

I'll probably end up making both versions, since you can't please all people with just one. I'll just label the lowest filling one as Super Low Filling or something like that.

Message Edited by Vodokar on 03-19-2004 11:01 AM

If you can already get the filling down to 33% without a huge exp point loss then use the Nutritional additives so you can get best of both worlds.

If I recall correctly, I used 800ish DR and 600ish OQ Fruit and Berries. Filling started at about 38. It took 5 of my 10 points to get it down to 33. Since the fruits I had were either high PE/OQ or high DR/OQ, but not high in all 3, so in this case nutrition maxed with 3 exp points at 255 buff. Placed the remaining two into duration.

So, I'm not sure if I would call it easy to get the filling down to 33, but it was possible. And since I used a different selection of ingrediants than I would if I was going directly for highest buff, even using a heavy netritional isn't going to put the buff into the 600 plus realm like it did when i used my best pe fruits. However, even a 400ish buff with 33 fill wouldn't be a bad thing though. I'll just have to keep playing with it.

I'm still curious though as to how low filling will go down to if i used this same set up with a heavy filling tissue though. I'm definetly going to try out that experiment soon as i can.

I say put a heavy nutrient in your 33 filling canape and use it for both pve and pvp. With a 116 additive, the buff should come out at +540. The 33 filling is not just useful for pve, it also means you can take three at once in pvp, for a bigger buff than two of the +677 version.


Mutton

Thats precisely what I ended up doing. Results:

547 10m40s 32F

Pretty Sweet!

Mine with 117 Heavies came out ot +755 for 11:24 with a 39 filling. By figuring this out, you can take two of mine and still come out the same way as 3 of the ones listed above. Anything i should have done differently?

Symmetry