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Now that I've reached master chef, I've found testing the exact workings of the game mechanics to make the best buffs to be quite interesting... anyway my fiddling about for tonight involved micronutrients.

The test:

Try two foods with different durations, both using soypro, and using varying quality micronutrients.

The chosen foods for this were Karkan ribenes, and corellian fried ice cream, as neither use multiple identical components, so aren't bugged in this way.

The materials:

Regrettably I only had a low-level bioengineer available to help me, so the micronutrients used in testingwere of inconsistent qualities.

With the karkan ribenes, I made 3soypros.One without a micronutrient, one with a very badly made micronutrient(2%), and one with a decent on(22%). There was a tiny bit of inconisistency in the quality of the soypro's themselves(I shouldn't have botherred experimenting them...), but this was limited by 1-2%, so shouldn't be a big deal.

With the ice cream, 3 soypros: One with a bad micro, one with a 15%, and another with a 16%.

I really wish I'd had more test data available, but heres the results anyway:

Karkan ribenes:

No micronutrient: +114, 185s(soypro was 24/52)
Bad(2%) micronutrient: +114, 185s(soypro was 20/49)
Decent(22%) micronutrient: +113, 196s(soypro was 20/48)

Corellian fried ice cream(all made with unexperimented, identical components apart from micronutrient):

Bad micronutrient: +231, 265s
15% micronutrient: +231, 275s
16% micronutrient: +231, 275s

A bit of math:

The increase from no/bad micronutrient to 22% with ribenes was of 11s. 11/185 = 6% increase.
The increase from bad mirconutrient to 15/16% with ice cream was 10s. 10/265 = 3.7% increase.

Conclusions:

a) Micronutrients, as pointed out before affect only duration.
b) Micronutrient baseline(0% experimentation) is a 0 increase.
c) It would appear that micronutrients give a percentile increase, rather than a fixed number of seconds... the increase was nearly identical, though the quality of the 22% micronutrients was nearly 50% better than the 15/16% ones, since the based duration of the ice cream is a fair bit higher.
d) The experimentation of thecomponent containing the micronutrient doesn't appear to affect the bonuses granter by the micronutrient itself.

I'd like to get some more results, especially with using identical % micronutrients on two different foods.

I didn't test how duration experimentation was affected with micronutrients in the recipe :/ I didn't bother since duration experimentation is so broken anyway.

In conclusion, make sure you get a high level BE to make your micronutrients... I'd say it could probably give a 30% increase or so to your durations if helped by a good BE .

J you should have joined a Scientist profession.

i tried experimenting with BE components in my food (but on a smaller scale than j2xc)

i found that if the bio component buffs the same HAM bar as the food you are using it in, you will get better results, but i havent tested this very much

I got the same result mafi and actually I tested with components that were opposite, meaning they buffed one thing but negated another, and the food actually I think went under the floor numbers.

I just came to the conclusion that since our problems are less important on the greater scale of things, we might as well be more informed about where the problems lie, and how stuff affects each other, so that we're not sending in false issues(such as asking for eggs, when we dont even use them >_<, and show the devs that we know what we're talking about when sending in our issues.

Also, might as well make the best of what we have now

The Bio components aren't really working how they are supposed to right now, so we should see the bio results should get better with time, although I'm not holding my breath.

I see all these small tests floating about... but what are they showing us?? I feel they are telling us very little. As I can kick out 10 veghash's with identicle components and have some 5 different variations in their quality.. Nevermind trying to track a small component being added such as the biological additives.

I wish I had the time to do a large sampleing and post all my results... but I really don't I just trying to point out that we really can't put a lot of weight in such a small sample of data spread over a wide range of different combinations.

An average of say 50 combines with biological components vs. 50 combines of the same food with the same resources w/o bio might tell us something...

Or on the same note... create soypro in a factory with high quality components, experimented higher then 30/30%... and then create soypro in a factory with the same exact components with out any experiments (maybe like 5/5%)... then create the same food with 50 of the first soypro and then 50 of the second...

Both of these would give us a good basis of what experimenting with base componets does to the final product (or in the case of bio - how is increases the final stats)

A few samples here and there just isn't enough.

Maybe if I have a lot of extra time, a ton of extra resources, and someone doesn't get to it before me, I'll take care of this... (a sept wedding is kinda putting a squeeze on my time though! )

Personally I am rather happy that J2xC is doing this research and I think every little scrap of tested data that we can scrounge up gives our profession more validity when dealing with our problems. Thanks again for the hard work J2.

If micronutrients(and other BE stuff) could be made by factory, then I'd have used factory BE components.

However, I think considerring that the experimentation values on all the soypro's and ice creams were IDENTICAL, that at least the results from them were accurate, and the results with the ribene should be pretty accurate since the differences were only 1-4%

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cannonfdr wrote:

I see all these small tests floating about... but what are they showing us?? I feel they are telling us very little. As I can kick out 10 veghash's with identicle components and have some 5 different variations in their quality.. Nevermind trying to track a small component being added such as the biological additives.

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Sorry, but I find this to be very difficult to believe. If you use the same ingredients on 2 veghashes, and get "great success" both times, you will get the same exact stats before experimentation. I guess you might mean 5 different variations based on whether you get "amazing success," "great success," "good success," etc. That is certainly true, and any test should take this into account by comparing things that only have the same level of initial success with no experimentation. The tests above are far from perfect, but they do give good, useful information.

Just want to confirm J's findings, at least at the lower end.

Low level BE additives add nothiing to your product. Didn't have access to high level.

I tested this over 20+ soypros (My son was playing with BE, has since dropped it)

To top it off, I couldn't manufacture BE enhanced (such as they were) soypros in my factory, even tho I had the proper ingredients (including the additivies) in the hopper.

BE on Bloodfin, give me a mail and a way point and I'll drop off some mediocre BE stuff at a vendor for free basically. Best of luck to you guys.

To factory manufacture something, the serial numbers of all the components must be identical(factory made components), so factory manufacturing soypro with BE stuff is currently impossible(because BE's cant use factories, due to a bug)