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Thread: Mind substats: How high can u go ?
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SpottyGekko
Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:49 am
#1
I noticed a comment by someone in the "+441 brandy" thread that mind substats do not do much good when they exceed 1700. Is this true ?
If this is indeed so, we as chefs could do some serious customer education, and hopefully broaden the range of products we could sell.
Is there a formula for calculating the substat workings ? It may be that with substats over a certain level, the benefits are negligible (law of diminishing returns, and all that...). As an example, the action costmay becalculated as follows (wild guess here, lol):
Actual Action Cost = Action Cost - (Action Cost * (Quickness Value/Base Value))
If the above is true, then as soon as Quickness > Base Value, things will get weird. Guess it will all depend on the base value, which may vary depending on which race u are, as different races have different max values for their stats.
Any number-crunchers out there have some facts on this ?
And please forgive me if this is all a well known fact, lol, I don't get out much...
Numen
Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:06 am
#2
Everything is currently linear.
However some substats matter more depending on the weapon you use. If it has 20 mind cost you might only need 1000 focus to negate all costs. If it has 40 you might need 2000 focus to negate all costs. For the 20 case, anything above 1000 would be a complete waste as HAM cost is the only thing focus does.
Those are just example numbers. I have no clue what the exact numbers are to negate 20 and 40 mind ham cost, but it does give you an idea why you might cap out some.
Mind you can never cap out, you just get a bigger pool.
Willpower depends on your play style. If you never get hit and you have a lot of focus they you probably don't need much, therefore anything above a certain value is worthless. If you PvP a lot then willpower is more useful as that pool will probably get more dmg than you can regen.
Morganite
Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:35 pm
#3
I have never seen numbers for a formal test, but have talked with people who's opinion on the in's and out's of the game I do respect, who were the ones who informed me about the 1700 cap. I could point to posts by these players, but without an effective test, it is just a he said type of situation..
Sounds like someone needs organize am official test. Wear teh right amount of armor to keep a substat at 1700, then perform a test on special ham drain, and damage regen, then get the substats healthily above 170, and repeat the same test. See if indeed there is a time difference.
From personal experience, I have never noticed a difference from 1700 to 2700 substat's, but I have never ran any type of test to confirm this.
Draygox
Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:45 pm
#4
From my testing with my friend, master heavy swords, we found that around 1500 - 1600 focus will negate almost any mind HAM cost for any special.
Him a full set of composite dropped his secondary mind stats to 1. He then drank 2 +400 brandies and ate 2 +350 ahrisas. Total focus came to just over 1500. He then spammed what ever his most costliest special and it didnt cost any mind.
Myself, master rifleman as well as chef, 2 +370 brandies, 2 + 360 ahrisas, and a full set of ubese. My focus come out to just under 1600, I can spam MindShot3 or StrafeShot2 with no mind use at all. And thats with a 103 mind cost t21.
Him a full set of composite dropped his secondary mind stats to 1. He then drank 2 +400 brandies and ate 2 +350 ahrisas. Total focus came to just over 1500. He then spammed what ever his most costliest special and it didnt cost any mind.
Myself, master rifleman as well as chef, 2 +370 brandies, 2 + 360 ahrisas, and a full set of ubese. My focus come out to just under 1600, I can spam MindShot3 or StrafeShot2 with no mind use at all. And thats with a 103 mind cost t21.
StarSiderShadrach
Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:09 pm
#5
If you have over 1500 focus you have no special costs.
bushmaster2k
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:05 pm
#7
What about Willpower?"Willpower helps you recover from expenditure of mind. It is the regeneration stat for the mind pool.", this is from SWG website from Friday's feature. I would really like to see some info on that this has a cap. Does "expenditure" mean mind damage or the use of speicals?
Morganite
Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:33 am
#8
The bottom stat from each pool regen's damage taken either via specials, or via actuall damage inflicted. The top stat negates special cost's. I am 95% positive willpower works the same as focus.
StarSiderShadrach
Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:48 am
#9
ryukinku wrote:would this include master riflemen with high HAM cost rifles?
yes, no matter what your normal special cost would be as long as your focus is over 1500 you will have no special costs.
SpottyGekko
Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:18 am
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So nobody really has any idea what the underlying formulas are ? We can probably get away with it for as long as the doc buffs remain as huge as they are now, but once their effectiveness isreduced, as is planned, it may be a different story altogether.
I'd like to be prepared for that day.
Aladine
Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:28 pm
#11
as a rifleman (and a chef) I pay close attention to this, and with a T21 with 95ish mind ham costs, as long as my focus is above 1510 it doesn't cose me any. So the 20-1000 40-2000 thing may be true, but its much lower cost to focus ratio before it costs you.
With my mind stats pumped to 1000,1100,900 M,F,W I can eat two brandies experimented for duration, and still blast away at no cost to me.
Zynix
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:33 pm
#12
Aladine wrote:
as a rifleman (and a chef) I pay close attention to this, and with a T21 with 95ish mind ham costs, as long as my focus is above 1510 it doesn't cose me any. So the 20-1000 40-2000 thing may be true, but its much lower cost to focus ratio before it costs you.
With my mind stats pumped to 1000,1100,900 M,F,W I can eat two brandies experimented for duration, and still blast away at no cost to me.
wow.. my number is so close to urs.. I would have to look what the current rifle I use is.. But i have 1100 focus with at 825 focus buff from a musician and then 420 lost in encubrances so thats 1505 and I lose 1 mind every shot. If I had 1510 I probably wont lose any mind at all. So Aladine and I are on some kinda start here.
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