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Thread: Chef's, Don't think you have to sell BE enhanced foods only
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Coachjohn
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:57 am
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I was actually surprised when I talked to a chef friend of mine and he said he was quitting because he could not find a BE to make his enhancements for him. So I told him the same thing that I am saying below:
I am a master chef with one toon and a doing lots of things with another toon. My fighting toon is a wookie (yes I know that’s crazy) I have only been using non enhanced foods on my wookie as I test out different foods to find the combo's and food I feel is best for me and that’s what I am going to sell to the public. For the most part I have been using the 190 MFW / 55 minute brandy and like it although I plan to make the time more like 45 on the final runs. With this I have been able to keep myself alive just fine solo hunting on dant and endor. I use a combo of synthsteak and brandy (and muon gold for emergencies)
I really feel there is going to be a huge market for the non BE enhanced foods. I truly would not be willing to pay the 300K + amount required for BE enhanced foods for leveling my char but would not mind dropping the 75K for a good run of non enhanced stuff. I see a good market out there for both. So don't get drawn into the whole "with out enhancements the food is worthless" thing. A smart player will use both kinds and when they are needed. Think about it how smart would it be for a player to use up his expensive BE enhanced foods when in a big group and not even really getting touched. That’s the time to use the less expensive stuff just to give you a boost to help.
As a chef I will be making both kinds to support my customers. Good luck to all of you other chefs and keep up the good work we really got somewhat lucky on this patch.
Numen
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:11 am
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Exactly. If the price for the BE foods ever comes down to the price of regular foods, then there will be problems. I just don't see this happening.
For people that can earn 100-200k an hour, dropping 300k+ on a crate isn't that big of a deal. Regular food still offers a very good bonus and if you make it affordable by the general public it will sell. I have yet to sell any BE food because my factories have been busy making regular food that keeps selling out. Its a lot easier and it gets to more people(the reason why I like chef).
fatgit
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:17 am
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There is a market, but the problem is, you make non-enhanced, someone buys it, an hour later you get a tell "Ive seen vasarian with double the buff, why is yours so low", and then they just wawnt BE enhanced.
As it happens, I simply cant make all BE ones, so theyre gonna have to live with it
As it happens, I simply cant make all BE ones, so theyre gonna have to live with it
PSKstang
Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:38 pm
#4
I am selling currently stuff in a small glass (mostly brandy). Anyways, someone did tell me that they saw stuff with 3x the quantity and double the buff, and asked me why mine was so low. I explained and he said he understood and asked me to make him some. So I told him I could soon and that the price will be rather high. He asked how much and I told him that on the forums its going from 300k-400k a crate average, sometimes higher. He just asked for a crate of my small glass brandy 
. So the market is there. Not everyone needs such a high buff.
. So the market is there. Not everyone needs such a high buff.
ZetPistoleer
Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:05 pm
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i really do agree. i've been selling Vasarian Brandy with +202 mind/focus/willpower 44min30seconds, 33% filling...in small glass(6uses), and believe it or not, i've sold more then 200crates till now after the chev revamp. yes some ppl ask me they've seen double quality, i tell them it is BE enhanced, they ask about the price, i tell them how insanely they are expensive due to the hardness to make them, and so i dont make them,no complains. i personally think regular Brandy is a bomb anyways.(i am a rifleman, with my ahrisa and brandy, i can spam headshot3).
neinnunb
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:54 pm
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I also agree that the huge difference in work involved between enhanced and not enhanced food is what will keep non-BE foods in the market. All the foods now cook relatively fast in the factory, so allot of foods will sell cheap because of that and people will buy it especially ones who dont have much money.
Ankor
Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:20 am
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Coachjohn wrote:
I truly would not be willing to pay the 300K + amount required for BE enhanced foods for leveling my char but would not mind dropping the 75K for a good run of non enhanced stuff.
Typically, your "normal" Brandy is made with small glasses. Your 350k crate of BE stuff is made with casks. So, the BE stuff has 3x as many charges... a direct tripling of utility ot the customer, so triple the price.
You're at 225k for the same # of charges of normal stuff.
Now, the additive doubles the effectiveness of the buff (not quite, but it makes the math easier for explanation). Now, here's the important part: even if you don't want or need the +800 you get by doubling up, you can directly replace the "normal" buff by simply taking one brandy instead of two. This effectively doubles the crate's total utility to the customer.
You're at 450k. Sounds to me like 350k is underpriced (or more likely, 75k is overpriced for vanilla Brandy).
This simple arithmetic ignores the other benefits you get from the BE Brandy... 1 crate vs. 6 (for the same amount of buffs) in inventory, the ability to stack to +800 in emergencies, but it seems fairly obvious to me that BE Brandy in a cask is worth at least six times as much as regular Brandy in a glass, for everyone, not just the uber.
The only way I see that your line of thinking could be correct is if the normal Brandy were in a cask (and any Chef who casks normal Brandy gets a different math lesson...)
Numen
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:14 am
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Yep. I can make 3-4 runs of regular in the time I can make 1 run of BE. I keep running out of regular, so it doesn't take a genious to figure out that I can't make enough BE for everyone.
GalinHawk
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:29 am
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I agree. I posted a while ago about a potential problem in my home city where I am "competing" with a power-gamer who has a master chef & master Bio-engineer as well as 4 accounts filled with harvesters and so on.
He is focusing on BE foods, and charging approximatley three times what I am charging for the "regular" foods. I feel there is a good space for both of us in the one city, and that the market is still interested in non-BE foods.
Re: The comment of "as long as BE foods don't come down to the price of non-BE foods" - I really don't see that happening. It is such a pain to make BE foods AND it uses resources that can't be easily collected. It's not worth doing that for regular price...
He is focusing on BE foods, and charging approximatley three times what I am charging for the "regular" foods. I feel there is a good space for both of us in the one city, and that the market is still interested in non-BE foods.
Re: The comment of "as long as BE foods don't come down to the price of non-BE foods" - I really don't see that happening. It is such a pain to make BE foods AND it uses resources that can't be easily collected. It's not worth doing that for regular price...
GeminiMoon
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:46 am
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BE additives are nothing lessthan hard to make. I just spent the last 2 days collecting 50kmeat on Dantooine for some medium nutient suppliments...all by myself too, yetconstantly asking people to sell me some for 7cpu, yet no takers.../cry.
Don't try to get them to change the BE/Chef profession...they just did that thelast 2-3 months/2 publishes on that. They need to focus on the source; Rangers and creatures!
Goto the Ranger Forum and go support the idea of a deedable trap to collect meat and other creature resources which are scarce and overpriced right now! Either that or increase the skill mods in the Ranger profession.
Anyone else getting sick and tired of seeing 10cpu OQ 200 crap on the bazaar? Me too
Jedi_Badkitty
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:21 pm
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ya my problem i hate overcharging.... my food stats are as follows:
BE MADE - Vagnerian Canape- 2sets - +722foc/will 11mins 6use 39Fill - 125K per crate
+548foc/will 12mins 6use33fill - 125k per crate
NON-BE made Vasarian Brandy - +202mind 45mins 10use 49Fill -125K --sells SUPER FAST
BE-MADE Vasarian Brandy 2 sets- +395mind 41min 10use 49Fill - 250K per crate
+347mind 51min 10use 49fill - 250K per crate
It costs me 2.5mill for 800units of BE additives.Now..while i like supplying my customers with the best.
using BE MADE components lowers my profit margain from 500% to 145% ..hmm. What to do ..what to do.
Though i still supply both NON-BE and BE products i do more of the NON..for the not so rich people. ..By the way any opinions on my pricing? I dont like feeling im overcharging..but i have to make some profit.
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