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Thread: Selling schematics???? Do you do it?

BULLROACH
Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:18 pm
#1

On the Bio Engineer forum they are discussing the selling of schematics and I thought it would be a great topic for the Artisan forum also. They were discussing if you sell them and how you felt about it in general. The selling of schematics is a practice that I follow. I break it down into two fees. Fee one is the schematic and fee two is for my expertise. I sell the schematics at twenty-five credits per unit produced and 1k per percent experimentation above 75%. This way I am being paid for my time, expertise, and talents.

1000 x 25cpu = 25k
Base quality = 75% After experimentation 95%
20 x 1k = 20k
Total cost of Schematic = 45k

I find that is makes me a nice side income anywhere from 300k-600k per month besides my other ventures. I even have a side-side business of building up resources and making an ok schematic with them and selling the schematic and the resources to make the end product to others. It is not detrimental to my business because of a loyal customer base and business diversity so I feel positive about the practice. If you are in a narrow line of product I would not suggest that you do it because you would put yourself out of business.



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Battery
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:45 pm
#2

I've only ever had people ask me for brandy schems. After a few hrs of collecting parts they always come back and say " I'll just buy the brandy from your vendor...want to buy some fruit and berries?"


I don't make schems anymore or even offer to.
MozzerKing
Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:06 am
#3






Battery wrote:

I've only ever had people ask me for brandy schems. After a few hrs of collecting parts they always come back and say " I'll just buy the brandy from your vendor...want to buy some fruit and berries?"




I love it when people pick up a crafting profession so they can "roll their own". It doesn't take very long for them to realize it'sdifficult to pull off the stats they're used to buying when they make it themselves.


To answer the original poster, I never make schematics and probably wouldn't do it even if someone asked.


Message Edited by MozzerKing on 07-23-2004 06:07 AM



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Olanthe
Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:07 am
#4

Yeah, I had someone ask me for a brandy schematic once. It was someone I owed a favor to, and he was offering to pay well, but I had to explain to him that he couldn't just hand me all the raw materials and get a schematic back, plug it into the factory and get rich. He'd have to bring me the materials for the subcomponents, I'd make schematics from those and he'd run them; he'd find bio-additives and bring me those along with the water, and I'd make another schematic; for the casks he'd have to find a tailor selling trim and then bring it to me with crystalline gemstone; and then finally he could bring me the whole armload of stuff and get the final schematic. Not only that but I'd have to babysit the whole process and give advice. And his resources sucked! He wouldn't get near my typical results on the finished product. I wasn't willing to go through all that, and once he found out al that was involved he wasn't interested anymore.


I do regularly buy schematics from bio-engineers though. I'd prefer to buy the finished products and not tie up my factories for days, but they are hard to find in the quantity I need. There are three master bio-engineers in my town and none of them want to gather the massive amounts of excellent meat and flora needed. So they are happy to let me do all that work, and then spend five minutes with me and make a boatload of credits. I still have a few BE vendors waypointed for emergencies, like when someone buys 10 cases of Bivoli and I need more NOW, not in 5-6 days when all the factory runs are done.



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PsionicHawk
Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:09 pm
#5

This isan interesting discussion.


As a CM I can usually get doc subcomponant schematics for free as long as I have the resources.



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MilkToast
Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:25 pm
#6

I never have and never will sell schematics because I became a crafter to make and sell things not to enable someone else to do it. I don't have a problem with others doing it - they have a right to play the game anyway they want.




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Meplorium
Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:16 pm
#7

Chef foods are a bit too complicated to get a schematic and go because of all the subparts. The things that only require a few ingridents like adv. bio effectors or BE additves can do done this way. Mostly because other professions use them to make something else, like pet stims or food.


I personally don't give out schematics nor am I ever asked for them. I have recieve schematics for things, like pet stim parts or droid storage units for crafting stations or vehicle custom tools. Those I have never really paided for in any way.



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mrthx
Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:41 pm
#8

I do it only if they have an understanding of the compenents involved.

If someone comes up to me and asks "can you make me a brandy schem?" and they didnt know it took casks and alcohol and BSNs to make I wouldnt contintue the conversation.





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OditeFosore
Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:14 am
#9

I have 1 guy whom I sell schematics to. He's a prof bouncer, goes between BE, chef, and tailor with one of his alts, makes massive runs of brandycomponents and then has me do schematics for each run and then mass produces a few hundred crates of brandy. I charge 100k per schematic as I don't really like helping out a competitor except with information which I give freely if asked, but since he pays well, I figure I cover any lost business.



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Dsabre
Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:53 pm
#10



MozzerKing wrote:


Battery wrote:
I've only ever had people ask me for brandy schems. After a few hrs of collecting parts they always come back and say " I'll just buy the brandy from your vendor...want to buy some fruit and berries?"

I love it when people pick up a crafting profession so they can "roll their own". It doesn't take very long for them to realize it's difficult to pull off the stats they're used to buying when they make it themselves.

To answer the original poster, I never make schematics and probably wouldn't do it even if someone asked.

Message Edited by MozzerKing on 07-23-2004 06:07 AM





no Offense...but that statement of yours is rather hypocritical...I know you've stated you don't buy runs of BE tissues anymore, and that you've been able to find BE's to make schems for under 100k for you...and yet you wouldn't do the same yourself...

my standpoint is this:

If you buy schematics, it should follow that you would be willing to make them as well. the same arguments that you use for justifying purchasing schematics as opposed to the actual product should work for you the same way it works for others.

if you don't believe in selling schematics, don't buy them or ask for them.

I would sell schematics, but it has to be on the following terms:

1) purchaser must come to me...not the other way around
2) subcomponents only
Barox
Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:35 am
#11


Battery wrote:
I've only ever had people ask me for brandy schems. After a few hrs of collecting parts they always come back and say " I'll just buy the brandy from your vendor...want to buy some fruit and berries?"
I don't make schems anymore or even offer to.





Hehe same thing happened to me a few times sadly they usually tried to sell me the really bad flora they just paid 5-6 cpu for

I am willing to sell/give schematics to friends however i seldom do. Most people like the idea of saving some money but they fall short when they figure out the time they have to spend waiting for their one factory making 3 runs, finding a tailor to make their trim or locating a BE that sells additives for the 5 crates they can afford. Not to mention finding some good flora so it will be atleast half decent food or drinks.



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Numen
Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:33 am
#12

I doubt I would ever make schematics for anyone. Components would be a possibility but honestly I don't know why anyone would want that.


I would make them for friends, assuming all I am doing is making the schematics and they are doing all the factory runs. But again here I doubt this would happen, its far easier for me to just give them the food for free.







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MozzerKing
Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:48 am
#13






Dsabre wrote:





MozzerKing wrote:






Battery wrote:

I've only ever had people ask me for brandy schems. After a few hrs of collecting parts they always come back and say " I'll just buy the brandy from your vendor...want to buy some fruit and berries?"




I love it when people pick up a crafting profession so they can "roll their own". It doesn't take very long for them to realize it's difficult to pull off the stats they're used to buying when they make it themselves.


To answer the original poster, I never make schematics and probably wouldn't do it even if someone asked.



Message Edited by MozzerKing on 07-23-2004 06:07 AM






no Offense...but that statement of yours is rather hypocritical...I know you've stated you don't buy runs of BE tissues anymore, and that you've been able to find BE's to make schems for under 100k for you...and yet you wouldn't do the same yourself...

my standpoint is this:

If you buy schematics, it should follow that you would be willing to make them as well. the same arguments that you use for justifying purchasing schematics as opposed to the actual product should work for you the same way it works for others.

if you don't believe in selling schematics, don't buy them or ask for them.

I would sell schematics, but it has to be on the following terms:

1) purchaser must come to me...not the other way around
2) subcomponents only




My reasoning for declining was based on the fact that there's SO much involved in a brandy schematic that it would be cumbersome to make everything and organize it all, not because I'm afraid that by selling a schematic I'm somehow going to cut into my own profits (which is the reason that BE's don't like to sell). If someone wanted an Alcoholschematic or something like that I would have no problem making it for them. But to make a schematic like brandy you'd have to make sure you also provided a alcohol and BE tissue schematic and on top of that they'll probably need a cask schematic too. It just seems like it would be a pain to work all that out.


If someone came to me and provided me with the alcohol, BE tissues and other resources to make Brandy, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I wouldn't do it completely from scratch.





Maya
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